Weird SC injection problems...

[ballsoutpunk]

I had something odd happen when I was applying IGF last night. I inserted the slin pin all 1/2" and started to push the piston down, but it wouldn't go. I thought I probably was just applying pressure to the piston at an angle or something like that and that it was binding, so I pressed harder and harder. Finally, I got about 2iu in, then released pressure on the piston as I adjusted my grip on the syringe so I could press harder. When I took pressure off, the piston slid back to the initial position as the IGF forced its way back into the syringe. It was like trying to inject something into a small sterile vial that was overpressured inside. I pulled the needle out about 1/8" and was able to finish the injection (that depth - 3/8" - should have been fine since they're making 1/4" slin pins now). The area stung for a little while and it left a sore bump that looks like a mosquito bite. The injection was SC and about 2" to the left of and slightly below my belly button. I've had this happen several other times in that same area on both sides and also maybe once or twice in my thigh. What could I be hitting that would totally prevent anything from being injected without applying huge amounts of pressure and causing damage? Muscle sheath, maybe? I've never had this problem with deep IM injections.

The needle was inserted at a right angle to the surface of my skin, so there is no chance that the depth was too shallow. I'd like to find out what I'm doing wrong from time to time so I can stop it. It turns a small and normally painless injection into something that hurts a lot worse than massive IM injections. Also, it's tricky to explain the bumps to the missus. I don't know how many times I can "pinch my belly between weight plates when loading a machine," "find a tick," or "get bitten by a mosquito or spider" before it looks suspicious. :shocked:

 

[mikeswift]

sounds like it was the pin bro, what brand are you using? every so often you'll get a pin that doesn't inject no matter what you do. I've had the same problem pulled the pin out and my compounds wouldn't come out of the pin even into the air.

have you tried IM? no bumps that way

 

[ballsoutpunk]

sounds like it was the pin bro, what brand are you using? every so often you'll get a pin that doesn't inject no matter what you do. I've had the same problem pulled the pin out and my compounds wouldn't come out of the pin even into the air.

have you tried IM? no bumps that way

I use the standard BD 1/2" 29ga 1/2cc 100iu pins.

The problems aren't so much that the syringe sticks or is clogged, but that I can't get anything to go in me. When I have this problem, I can pull the needle out 1/8" or so and everything goes fine. I can also pull it all the way out and try again in a different location with the same needle and have no problem. Luckily, I have not encountered a single malfunctioning syringe during three different month-long IGF cycles. Some seem a little dull on occasion, but that's probably more due to inconsistencies in my skin than anything.

I used to inject IGF IM, but I mainly go SC these days. To be honest, I have never seen any localized growth when injecting muscles worked PWO. I also never get bumps when doing SC unless what I'm describing in this post happens. I don't experience nearly as much anabolism with IGF as some people I know, but it definitely helps me retain muscle mass during cutting or PCT. Because of of that, I've gotten in the habit of just doing SC and using IM only for higher volume injections of other stuff. I don't like to inject the same muscles any more frequently than I have to, either. Also, I think the AA in the IGF probably damages the muscle fibers at the site of injection to a slight degree, but not in a good way. I would certainly prefer to damage fat cells instead. None of these reasons make that much of a difference to me, but it just seems a tiny bit easier overall to do SC.

 

[dreww]

Ive experienced this phenomenon you talk about with the pins. I dont think its a "bad pin" either. It happens with AAS shots in regular pins and water-based or IGF slin pins.

sometimes its due to the pin being bent while the muscle. its not hard to bent it, just enough to make injection difficult. And sometimes I think it must be scar tissue or something cause pulling the pin out a 1/4" or so fixes the problem.

 

[ballsoutpunk]

Ive experienced this phenomenon you talk about with the pins. I dont think its a "bad pin" either. It happens with AAS shots in regular pins and water-based or IGF slin pins.

sometimes its due to the pin being bent while the muscle. its not hard to bent it, just enough to make injection difficult. And sometimes I think it must be scar tissue or something cause pulling the pin out a 1/4" or so fixes the problem.

This sounds like exactly what I'm talking about. I think you're right in that some of it is due to scar tissue, too. When it comes to larger volume AAS injections, I notice that it gets a little harder to get the injection in later in the cycle after I have to reuse sites a few times. This could also be the case with peptides high in AA or BA because of the small scale tissue damage I mentioned earlier. Repeated injections or minor tissue damage could both cause scarring and make subsequent injections more difficult until the sites fully heal. That makes sense. Damn, I'm glad I'm not diabetic.

 

[h8tr3d]

happened to me before with igf, then i took the pin out and realized i never put any igf in it........

 

[saudades]

This sounds like exactly what I'm talking about. I think you're right in that some of it is due to scar tissue, too. When it comes to larger volume AAS injections, I notice that it gets a little harder to get the injection in later in the cycle after I have to reuse sites a few times. This could also be the case with peptides high in AA or BA because of the small scale tissue damage I mentioned earlier. Repeated injections or minor tissue damage could both cause scarring and make subsequent injections more difficult until the sites fully heal. That makes sense. Damn, I'm glad I'm not diabetic.

Yep, this is exactly what causes what you experienced. I get it all the time since I have had to regularly inject myself for over nine years for HRT. New sites go right in smoothly, but an older site will often "stick" like that.

 

[nuknuk]

had this happen last night, it is the pin, well in my case it was. Test your pin while it is still in the vial. IF you can draw and push back the solution with ease then your good to go. If not use another pin. Remember that these things are made super fast by machines and everyone is not going to be perfect.

 

[ballsoutpunk]

I had this happen again tonight, this time in my right quad while trying to go IM. I used an area on the top center of my thigh, a location several inches from where I've frequently shot AAS before. (I usually aim about halfway between the top - anterior - and outside - lateral surface - of my leg in a sitting position to hit my vastus lateralis with deep IM injections.) So anyway, this injection was on the top of my leg instead of off to the side, and I haven't frequently used this exact area. I'm sure that some of the injection problems come as a result of scarring, but I swear slin pins penetrate me just deep enough to land in the muscle sheath in most areas that I use. As usual, I backed the needle out just slightly and everything went fine.

I didn't have any problems drawing the IGF out of the vial, and no problems once I backed it out just a tad. The syringe/needle seemed to be just fine.

saudades - have you tried Striant? I assume you've tried Androgel or some similar topical gel and weren't happy with it. The absorption is unpredictable and I was always hesitant to fuck with my shirt off for fear of my girl growing a moustache when I used it, to put it gently. I'm intrested to know if a buccal delivery method is more effective. It could certainly save you some scarring. I've torn a quad before and one of the biggest fears I have when injecting is that the resulting scarring over time will cause my muscles to be more fiberious and susceptable to tear again in the future. I would be majorly concerned about that if I were on HRT, but of course US pharmaceutical grade stuff should be a lot less of an issue in regard to scarring than a good portion of the high BA underground crap out there.

By the way, the quad tear happened when I tore some ligaments in my knee and tried to catch myself in the fall. It didn't have anything to do with AAS use, I wasn't on at the time and hadn't been for quite a while, and the orthopedist said that the whole thing probably originated with a tendon in my knee that has a slightly unusual insertion point on the bone. None of it was related to AAS use according to the very prominent orthopedist that saw me. I had two MRIs, so the ortho saw me inside and out and AAS use was never suspected to be a cause. I'm trying to say I don't mean to imply that IM quad injections will eventually result in muscle tears; I just think that scarring probably increases the lifelong odds of it happening. Since I've had it happen once, it is a particular concern for me. Luckily, I had several small tears and a giant hematoma instead of a single, complete tear. I narrowly escaped having my leg immobilized for months and a 12 - 18 month recovery.

 

[saudades]

I have never tried either product. I'm just not a fan of gels, and I don't think I've heard of Striant until now. Looking at the product on the web site doesn't give me a favorable outlook on it. I'd rather not have bits of the stuff still in my mouth besides getting pain and redness/tenderness of the gums. Once I started using large pins to draw and switching tips for a nice sharp needle, I've had far less problems. I tend to stay away from my quads for inject sites, they're very sensitive.

 

[ballsoutpunk]

I have never tried either product. I'm just not a fan of gels, and I don't think I've heard of Striant until now. Looking at the product on the web site doesn't give me a favorable outlook on it. I'd rather not have bits of the stuff still in my mouth besides getting pain and redness/tenderness of the gums. Once I started using large pins to draw and switching tips for a nice sharp needle, I've had far less problems. I tend to stay away from my quads for inject sites, they're very sensitive.

I think aerosols will probably be the next thing, and that might be really nice. Inhalable insulin is right around the corner, so maybe they'll find a way to make tissue permeable enough for larger molecules to fit through efficiently soon.

I think that the gum pain and tenderness associated with Striant can be reduced by moving it around and using different areas, but some people will have more of a problem with it than others. TNE is supposed to be pretty painful to inject, so I imagine that the test molecule itself will irritate a person's gums to some degree regardless.

I feel bad for anyone that has to do frequent injections for TRT, diabetes, etc. I'm sure you're used to it by now, but it would be nice to have other options.