Peptides

[ballsoutpunk]

I will not be running any gear for the foreseeable future because the missus says "no" and since it could really screw me at a job I may be taking in the near future. Because of this, I am mostly stuck with peptides. I am not a great responder to IGF. I find that it spares muscle when cutting, but it doesn't do much to help me build. I can pack on muscle with slin, but fat comes with it. I guess that pretty much leaves me with HGH and slin. I was wondering if anyone out there has tried HGH fragments along with slin. It seems that most people speculating about HGH frags say they cannot work, but people who have tried them consistently report some fairly amazing results. (There was a thread on this board back around Aug 2007 that said things to the same effect.) To my knowledge, HGH frags + slin will not increase IGF production, but that doesn't matter much to me since I barely respond to IGF. I'm thinking that even though I probably wouldn't see any increase in IGF levels, HGH frags + slin would probably allow me to take advantage of the muscle building effects of slin without getting fat and while saving a little money. Has anyone tried this? Any recommendations?

GHRP-6 + CJC-1295 seem to give the same effects as moderate dose HGH for most people, but the price for the two is almost as high as HGH and GHRP's also cause prolactin release. Most people don't seem to notice any prolactin-related issues, but I'd rather pay extra for plain HGH to stay away from GHRP's for that reason if HGH frags are not recommended.

If the consensus is that HGH frags + slin are no good, I'll probably go with the full HGH peptide + slin.

 

[saudades]

HGH fragments won't do much for you. They're only a small part of the whole chain that is HGH, supposedly the part that makes you lose fat, and that's all it does. You would do better with normal HGH and slin.

 

[ballsoutpunk]

HGH fragments won't do much for you. They're only a small part of the whole chain that is HGH, supposedly the part that makes you lose fat, and that's all it does. You would do better with normal HGH and slin.

Hey S!.. I was afraid of that :crap:.

You've got a lot more experience with these particular items than I do, so I have another question or two if you don't mind. What are the results like taking full length (not fragments) HGH by itself? (I know you're on TRT, too, but I don't think that will effect the answer by very much.) Most people take HGH with slin for the added IGF effects, but what happens if you take HGH and only HGH? I would imagine it would still work for weight loss, but are there any significant gains in lbm to be had? I ask because I don't think I have heard of anyone taking HGH without slin or other chems.

 

[ballsoutpunk]

HGH fragments won't do much for you. They're only a small part of the whole chain that is HGH, supposedly the part that makes you lose fat, and that's all it does. You would do better with normal HGH and slin.

S, I've been away from the boards for a while, so I haven't heard how your treatment with HGH for hypoglycemia is going. I hope that your problems have all been completely solved, although "completely solved" is probably a tad optimistic. I'll have to go back and catch up on those threads. Either way, I hope you've seen a great improvement! It sounded like things were getting seriously dangerous for you for a while.

 

[saudades]

Well, taking HGH with any anabolic will be better than just HGH by itself. You'll certainly see fat loss while on HGH. My last HGH cycle was for four months, and I got fairly lean from it. HGH doesn't produce a very large amount in lbm gains, but the amount you do get is permanent because it promotes the splitting of muscle fibers (hyperplasia) which means you have more muscle fibers to grow larger via training and anabolics (hypertrophy)--that is if you are taking enough to do so. Dosages of up to 4 iu will give you mainly fat loss while 5 iu and above gives fat loss and some muscle gain.

Having been on HGH, I have not dipped below 200 lbs, even when I got really sick. Taking HGH with slin really pushes the envelope because slin crams nutrients into cells while HGH keeps you from gaining fat. I didn't take HGH with slin, and I still gained some muscle. Others have also done it on its own as well so it isn't absolutely necessary to run slin with it. My dosage was 5-10 iu/day.

I have noticed that my hypoglycemia has been reduced being on HGH (I'm on a new HGH cycle of 5 iu/day) so I'm thinking my theory was correct. In fact, considering my hypoglycemia, I may produce enough insulin on my own to act like I'm taking extra slin so I might change the timing of my HGH dose to maximize muscle growth. I'm only one week into it, and I'm already seeing changes. Also, one thing I'm doing differently that people may find interesting is that I'm only taking HGH during weekdays, and then on weekends, I'm bridging with GHRP-6. This keeps the HGH levels up while extending the HGH cycle. I hope to be on for about 8 months. Should be interesting.