Why Ever Come Off Cycle?

[NAIR]

Anabolic steroids are like anything else: depending on your health and overall predisposition to these powerful hormones, if used in moderation and smartly, sure, steroids can be relatively safe. The key word is relatively. Remember, there adverse side effects--primarily cardiovascular--can take its toll. One cannot use these compounds recklessly and think they are living a healthy life; physically or psychologically. To each their own, but to say they are 100% isn’t just an exaggeration, its irresponsible and downright ignorant.

 

[NAIR]

Really, unless you are an MD, a medical researcher or some other kind of medical specialist you shouldn't be making these statements at all. If this is your opinion, than fine, say that. But its quite ridicurous to make such claims when you clearly havn't got the right to state such things. Go to med school, then study sports medicine for 6 years; then come on here and tell me your professional opinion is that AAS is perfectly fine to use whenever and however and cycling off is just BS.

My point isn't to talk shit, rather that I think your claims are unsupported and further, you are unqualified to make them as they apply to other people. Post anecdotes all day long but I feel you should make clear that that's all they are.

 

[dorian123]

I don't think doctors are qualified to make them, there hasn't been enough research on te subject

the proof is in the puddin, like John Ramono once said, "show me the bodies, if steriods are so dangerous, show me the bodies."

 

[Get_Swole]

I can see both sides i think test and some other oils are perfectly safe in moderation as long as you blast and cruise. etc. Now if you do one blast of say 3g's a year i think your pushing the envelope although you may be perfectly fine. Also i believe its perfectly safe as long as you monitor your body/ blood test a minimum of 4 times a year. Most of us already do this im just saying some dont. I agree with Nair though that no one can say 100% safe without some sort of doubt as its never been proven or studied long term usage. Thats all i have the energy to type lol 12 hour days installing steel = Swole's bed time.

 

[nuknuk]

well Im still trying to find out what works best for me. As of now I come completely off from cycle to cycle. Some are long and some have been short. There are some good points on this thread.

 

[mickdoo]

Im heading into 6th year of my cycle. Feel great. I go higher in summer, low end in winter. Take clomid about 25 days a month, balls are full. Full head of hair. psa went from .08 to .09 in 5 years. Most important feel/look good.

 

[nuknuk]

Im heading into 6th year of my cycle. Feel great. I go higher in summer, low end in winter. Take clomid about 25 days a month, balls are full. Full head of hair. psa went from .08 to .09 in 5 years. Most important feel/look good.

so you are saying you have been on for 6 years?

 

[The Deuce]

Fine Nair. I could care less. Whatever. I am not going to debate this anymore. You want to think they are dangerous. That's your own opinion. I have mine. Point is. There is no medical proof either way. So I can go to medical school. It isn't going to teach me anything. All of us on this site KNOW MORE than any licensed practicing Doctor out there.


By the way. You really don't know me. Considering I have a degree in Nutrional Science, Human Anatomy, and Chemistry... I think I might know a little bit about WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.. But make your point. Call me ignorant. Whatever. I am not going to bicker. No need to. If you don't think they are safe. Then don't use them.

 

[jtunderdog]

I will add one more thing. The amazing thing about research is that it oddly comes out to benefit the person who paid for it usually to. I have taken about 4 stats classes and several research classes and even if the fda did a study they would make steroids seem way worse than alcohol or cigarettes just because they need the tax money. One of the most dangerous drugs on the planet is....Tylenol. No joke. They will sell it to anyone and I know a girl who almost killed herself trying to go to sleep by taking tylenol pms. Tylenol and alcohol combined is way more toxic than any oral ever. My point is its all about money and I think we all know that.

 

[NAIR]

You must care; otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time arguing about it. The fact is you are wrong: anabolic steroids can be dangerous and the medical documentation and evidence is so strong that hardly any one doubts it--well any reasonable person. Even the aforementioned John Romano (who is not even close to a med-specialist) acknowledges the dangers of misusing "these very powerful drugs." (He discusses this on Real Sports with Brian Gumble). I mean, "steroids are 100% safe"? Wow, in the words of nuk (from another thread), "that is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard."

Your degree is not on only unimpressive, but totally irrelevant. If you told me you had published peer reviewed research within the subject than maybe I could begin to consider you credible but your argument thus far fails. Additionally, usually when one flashes their credentials they usually have at least a masters under their belt and most often the degree is relevant to the subject of their argument.

By the way, I never judged you ignorant; rather I said the statement you made was. Big difference bud. I simply disagree with what you’re saying, nothing personal.


Finally, yes, you could go to medical school and if you’re good enough to make it through, yes, it will teach you something. It will teach you a lot. Additionally, there are many endocrinologists who would disagree with your statement regarding board members knowing more than them, specificially, endocrinologists and many sports-med docs. I don't think you are giving them enough credit. Remember, it was an MD and biochemist who first synthesized test, creating the first synthetic AAS.

Fine Nair. I could care less. Whatever. I am not going to debate this anymore. You want to think they are dangerous. That's your own opinion. I have mine. Point is. There is no medical proof either way. So I can go to medical school. It isn't going to teach me anything. All of us on this site KNOW MORE than any licensed practicing Doctor out there.


By the way. You really don't know me. Considering I have a degree in Nutrional Science, Human Anatomy, and Chemistry... I think I might know a little bit about WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.. But make your point. Call me ignorant. Whatever. I am not going to bicker. No need to. If you don't think they are safe. Then don't use them.

 

[The Deuce]

Ok Nair I do care ok.. is that what you want me to say !?

No I do NOT have a Master's.. I have an Associates in Applied Nutrional Science w/ a Bachelor's in Chemistry minor in Human Anatomy. SO HOW, does this not relate.. The compounds we put in our body are inherently chemical in structure. And since we are human's well I guess it would apply to the anatomy. I did a paper once on the Misconstruing of Facts Via the Internet as a Mode of Knowledge ( I got an A on by the way) basically to sum it up, we as a whole.. a species with a thought process will migrate to where we want to get and pull knowledge from (I used WIKIPEDIA as a prime example).. even though we know that it could be false we buy into it as a reality because why?? It's on the Internet it must be true!! I also had a sub-section on the mass amount of "INTERNET FORUMS" much like this one right now. A congregation of humans with the same Interest ban together to found a coalition of unique trains of thought on the same wave length pattern. The hierarchy will rein supreme in these places much like a KING. I.E.- The Person everyone goes to for information (whether this information is correct or false is irrelevant because as our species tells us.. we believe the person in top power because the are "supposed to" know it all).

Talk until you are blue in the face Nair. We all know that steroids can be dangerous if taken improperly. That's NOT what I was stating.. Of course If I take 100-50mgs Anadrol's in 3 minutes odds are I won't make it to the next day. Longevity and Cruising and Blasting is what I was talking about as being a SAFE PRACTICE WITH NO HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS INHERENTLY MAKING THESE THINGS SAFE.

Knowledge speaks from experience. How many People have died due to Anabolic steroid use? How many can they directly or indirectly tie to this? I think the answer is 1. I think ONE persons death has been attributed to AAS Usage.

There are a lot more dangerous things out there in the world than AAS. And You can bet your sweet lil ass that no matter what I choose to do regarding my AAS usage/amounts/duration/compound combinations.. I bet I live just as long if not longer than if I was to do NONE AT ALL !!

 

[NAIR]

Maybe I took your statement a bit too serious, then. When you said steroids are 100% safe and then proceeded to build an argument based on that claim, I felt that you may have been either misguided, misinformed, or just fucking around. Really, I meant nothing personal by it. ACtually, this kind of took a turn towars the dialectic a bit--good stuff

 

[The Deuce]

No Hard feelings Nair.. You know I love ya and respect your opinion and such.. and it was 100% MY fault for not being straight forward with my answers... and yes hahaha.. in the end it did tend to sway towards the Socratic techniques.. haha..

Like I said bro.. I am 28 years old. I don't have all the answers in the world. But to me.. knowledge is Power and.. hopefully in 5-10 years I am one powerful man.. Figuratively and Technically.

Hey, look what Arnold did. He busted his ass. Became supremely famous and YOU SAY HIS NAME.. Everyone knows who he is. Now that.. Is Power.. Beyond that of the President.. IMO





I like you Nair I do. It feels good to have some intellectual conversations once in while... when I am ready for another one. Can I call on you??

 

[fitness24789]

No Hard feelings Nair.. You know I love ya and respect your opinion and such.. and it was 100% MY fault for not being straight forward with my answers... and yes hahaha.. in the end it did tend to sway towards the Socratic techniques.. haha..

Like I said bro.. I am 28 years old. I don't have all the answers in the world. But to me.. knowledge is Power and.. hopefully in 5-10 years I am one powerful man.. Figuratively and Technically.

Hey, look what Arnold did. He busted his ass. Became supremely famous and YOU SAY HIS NAME.. Everyone knows who he is. Now that.. Is Power.. Beyond that of the President.. IMO





I like you Nair I do. It feels good to have some intellectual conversations once in while... when I am ready for another one. Can I call on you??

Thats basically what this arguement is about, the quoting say that steriods are 100% safe. These days, you can not say that, for a lot of different reasons, mainly because newbies will come across this thread and beleive that "steriods" can not damage your health, no matter what you do or take. I think you just needed to be more specific about what you were saying. But I do agree with you to an extent, steroids are not dangerous if used properly, but that goes with just about type of meds you take.

 

[mickdoo]

6 years straight

 

[nuknuk]

6 years straight

well then lets see some pics. You should be jacked right? pics?

 

[Juced_porkchop]

Ok yes JP.. I agree.. I was referring mainly to TESTOSTERONE... and yes.. Orals for more than 6 weeks for most 8 weeks for some is MAX. To remain safe.. I guess I should have been more exact with my words... YEAR ROUND PERMANENT TEST IS 100% SAFE... Blasting to larger levels and adding in different oils = safe.. adding orals in and keeping them within a reasonable timeframe of use = safe.

It is my opinion that ANY oral has done all it is going to after 6 weeks.. I haven't had much luck in gains after the 6 week time frame.

So yes JP you are correct.

I guess you filled in the blanks that I forgot to emphasize on.. but I guess I wasn't trying to defend orals more or less. OILS.. More or less.. and MAINLY Testosterone on the whole is what I was referring.

Ok so... There is a Safe way and an Idiot wrong way.. someone doing an oral for longer than 10 weeks would be considered an idiot wrong way IMO.

Then we got other kick ass orals like methyl-test and methyl tren that SHOULD STAY IN THE 3-4 Week range at maximum.. just so you don't pickle the hell out of your liver...

Another one.. CHEQUE DROPS.. IMO.. The most powerful Oral steroid out there. But that's why most people save it for like a one time blast at a time for like a POWERLIFTING Meet.. or STRONGMAN Comp...

But.. I personally think TEST is what CAN BE RUN AT ANY DOSE FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE (After the age of 24 years)


There I think I covered it all.. LOL

YEP coverd

just cuzz you know you never knwo the newbie that never did a cycle or only a few and is liek fuck it i got 1000 pills of dbol 50mg/tab ill just take 2 a day till there done lol.

trust me people can be STUPID lol,


i need me my sustaplex !! so i can go back to 1.5-2g ew for 2 or so months then its spring time to change it up.

 

[mickdoo]

First off, nuk, Im not in my 20's, my goals are different, I get mine from a doctor and it's hrt, thats why its been 6 years, but my amounts are not high like many others, 75 milligrams daily, along with T-3, I read some of the amounts used here and just can't understand why. I have cycled on off in my 20's. Then nothing for years. Then now in my 40's I will cycle till the end. I have the tortise approach. Slow steady gains, still making them. Ill posts my pics after this cutting cycle which will end here in 5/1/10. Furthermore in my 30 years doing this I see guys now from the 80's that where the big guys in the gym. Not one even looks like they ever lifted a weight in there life. Not one

 

[dorian123]

what about Lou Ferrigno? that guy still looks awesome

 

[dorian123]

yeah if your 60 years old and come off everything and quit lifting...or even 30 for that matter...
the body no longer needs to carry all that extra weight-use it or loose it