The Keto diet worth anything?

[The Survivor]

Has anyone here been on or tried the Keto Diet for any length of time? if so, what were the results? This weight loss company that I am associated with at my gym is bugging the hell out of me to switch over to it. I know some BB's (not that any weight loss'ers are that) have had some success with it, seems like most haven't. I worry about how sustainable it is. I know glycogen is always been preferred energy source for me.

What I've seen, it is quick weight loss but also same weight gain once the inevitable fall off occurs and carbs come back. Heres the linky.
http://2030fasttrack.com/

Anyone? Me thinks they full o shit, just another quick fix to a long term issue

 

[Presser]

I've gone into ketosis many times lol but never really followed that guideline

 

[The Survivor]

The company claims people shell out almost $400 for 30 day program, then at the end, you pitch the gym/PT at them and they are pumped to join. So its a feeder program for the gym. My cost is $120 for the starter kit which is vitamins, hormone drops, milk thistle and so on. Then the commission I would pay my manager for siging them up ($50), netting me $230.....but am very leary esp of this company. and you said yrself PT'ing can be a major pain

 

[yellow snow]

This sounds like a pyrimid sales deal, not a big fan of them.

Keto diets on the other hand I have used for years, I am a big fan. There are numerous secrets to using these diets, but probably the biggest one ( which you would think is common sence) is that when you reintroduce carbs, make sure they are clean and you don't pig out.

 

[Presser]

This sounds like a pyrimid sales deal, not a big fan of them.

Keto diets on the other hand I have used for years, I am a big fan. There are numerous secrets to using these diets, but probably the biggest one ( which you would think is common sence) is that when you reintroduce carbs, make sure they are clean and you don't pig out.

yes very common sense lol, but thats not the world we live in brutha

 

[BEASTZ6]

I don't have the discipline to do a keto diet.

 

[LeatherHead]

I've done it and it worked like a charm for me. One of the hardest things I've done, seeing how I have the sweet tooth of a sugar ant, but I did it and got shredded.

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[The Survivor]

OK my question is this: its been said we need carbs (mostly complex) for energy. That being said, a gram of fat yields 9 calories, where as a gram of carb yields 4 calories. Calories are units of energy by definition. So fat should give you twice the energy no? Do carbs really give you energy per se? can yr body really tell if its energy from carbs, fats or even caffeine for that matter??

 

[yellow snow]

OK my question is this: its been said we need carbs (mostly complex) for energy. That being said, a gram of fat yields 9 calories, where as a gram of carb yields 4 calories. Calories are units of energy by definition. So fat should give you twice the energy no? Do carbs really give you energy per se? can yr body really tell if its energy from carbs, fats or even caffeine for that matter??

When you say fats above do you mean ketones or fats? do you mean when you eat foods how does the body differenciate using carbs or fats as fuel sources?

I guess I may be a little confused about your questions.

 

[danieljk91]

Did the south beach diet... phase 1 is supposed to throw you into Ketosis, lost a dickload of weight in the first phase and once I got to the second was able to just become much better shape-wise... it really does work if you can tough out the 2 weeks of almost no carbs to get into ketosis (first 2 weeks is literally just meats, veggies, and some low-fat cheeses). Once you get into the ketosis you, like Presser said, need to make sure you're sticking to good carbs to really see the effect. I don't think you can stay on the diet for too long, though.. your body will start to adjust to it, need to trick it with higher carbs for a little bit and then fall back into the groove

 

[4theluvofgold]

I love Keto. I ballooned up to 315 lbs at 5' 9" and was miserable. Being hypocaloric is one thing but to fight the glucose storage to eventually burn fat is another. Don't follow or even pay for any paid for program. Plenty of free and legitimate information sources to accomplish an effective Ketogenic style (Like myself). When strictly cutting the fat doing straight Keto is the best. If you are an avid lifter, follow through, and stick to the program then Cycling and timed specific carbohydrate intake is best approach.

I tried to keep it simple for myself. I ate a lot of Broccoli, spinach, Brussel spouts, cauliflower along with chicken, beef, lamb, liver, turkey and fish. I used grass fed butter like Kerigold and also supplemented with coconut oil for the MCT to keep my fat intake up.

One mistake that is most commonly made with Keto style eating is the lack of fat. If you do not consume enough fat you will enter Gluconugenisis. Your liver will take the excess protein in ratio and manufacture glucose out of it.

When you deplete your glycogen storage from your muscles and liver you enter a state of Ketosis. This is where the body makes the Ketone bodies from the fat. When you are in Ketosis you have a more direct supply of energy from the fat. It is also just at easy to store it as it was when you were not in Ketosis.

Calories do matter on a Ketogenic diet. You need to be hypocaloric but instead of the times you are hypocaloric depleting your 200 grams of stored glycogen to compenstate it taps the fat as you have become fat adapted during Ketosis. So you burn 3000 calories and consume 2500, you burned 500 of fat calories since there was no glycogen available to burn. This is where the plan excels.

During this time you will not have much insulin. It will help increase your insulin sensitivity so when you are ready to reintroduce cyclic carbohydrates for resistance training they will be more effective and you will feel the muscular pumps. This is based on my personal experience.

I could dabble more and do a more detailed write up as a power lifter, soon to be again bodybuilder, and formerly Obese person.

 

[yellow snow]

it really does work if you can tough out the 2 weeks of almost no carbs to get into ketosis

2 weeks to get into ketosis? I think I would kill someone. I can get into ketosis within 4-5 hours (it is possible to do quicker, but it is a bitch going through the transition period of glucose to ketones).

The faster you get into ketosis the more fat you start to burn. Ketosis also has muscle sparing properties.

 

[danieljk91]

How can you get into it that quick?! Lol that's crazy.. I think a week for transition is typical for a body,i just kept up with the diet after that for another week..I definitely noticed the muscle depleting aspects, after I reintroduced healthy carbs I think my figure went from skinny fat to more muscular

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[yellow snow]

How can you get into it that quick?! Lol that's crazy.. I think a week for transition is typical for a body,i just kept up with the diet after that for another week..I definitely noticed the muscle depleting aspects, after I reintroduced healthy carbs I think my figure went from skinny fat to more muscular

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Three things to get into ketosis fast is:

1. last meal eat fat free candy, your body will respond by dumping a lot of insulin causing you to get down lower than if you had a 'zone' like last meal.
2. about two hours after eating your candy meal do as much cardio as possible to get the glucose out of your system.
3. last thing you can do is use insulin.......this can be dangerous so start with small amounts until you figure out what works for you.

I personally do (1) above then inject 10iu of humilin R about 1 hour to 1-1/2 hours later. I go into ketosis around 4-5 hour mark. It is a brutal 20-30 minutes when I transition.

One last word of caution: dont try the insulin if after 5 pm at night.

 

[The Survivor]

When you say fats above do you mean ketones or fats?fats do you mean when you eat foods how does the body differenciate using carbs or fats as fuel sources?yes can yr body differenciate when it comes to energy? And are you defining energy in the literal sense as in training enegy?

I guess I may be a little confused about your questions.

my replies above in bold

 

[gandhisays]

Three things to get into ketosis fast is:

1. last meal eat fat free candy, your body will respond by dumping a lot of insulin causing you to get down lower than if you had a 'zone' like last meal.
2. about two hours after eating your candy meal do as much cardio as possible to get the glucose out of your system.
3. last thing you can do is use insulin.......this can be dangerous so start with small amounts until you figure out what works for you.

I personally do (1) above then inject 10iu of humilin R about 1 hour to 1-1/2 hours later. I go into ketosis around 4-5 hour mark. It is a brutal 20-30 minutes when I transition.

One last word of caution: dont try the insulin if after 5 pm at night.

thats probably the most important , next to make sure someone close to you knows your using insulin and knows what to do if you go hypo

all great information yellow. thank you

 

[yellow snow]

OK my question is this: its been said we need carbs (mostly complex) for energy. That being said, a gram of fat yields 9 calories, where as a gram of carb yields 4 calories. Calories are units of energy by definition. So fat should give you twice the energy no? Do carbs really give you energy per se? can yr body really tell if its energy from carbs, fats or even caffeine for that matter??

Carbs are the bodies preferred fuel source and are easily broken down into glucose, which is what fuels your whole body.

Your body can tell the difference between carbs and fats since it breaks them down and they cause different responces in your body.

 

[4theluvofgold]

I second. Carbs are the simplest most efficient to absorb. Which is why it is the bodies preferred source while not optimum. Only people who really should consume any true quantity of carbohydrates are true lifters seeking to build muscle. But that only is as good as timing and control.
I can get into Ketosis in a 24 hour period. I do HIIT in the evening along with my lifting prior to bed. I consume casein protein and only a low calorie nutrient rich veggie. This gives fullness while not stock piling available calories and casein digest slower as most know. In the AM I do the overnight fasted cardio using ECA. This will further deplete the available glucose. Breakfast is eggs, a good meat 1 table spoon coconut oil, and some rich veggie with grass fed butter.
It's important to consume fat.

I keep my meals smaller simple but strict in the no carb except from good low carb veggie sources. After my 2nd evening of HIIT and weights I'm in it. If not quite my morning ECA cardio will do it. So 24 hours usually up to 36 if you have a lot of stored glycogen in your liver.



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[4theluvofgold]

In doing keto one thing I learned studying different cultures and demographics of eating. Alaskan natives consume very little carbs. Only real carbohydrate source is berries in the late summer and fall. So people will say you need to have carbs for endurance and other brain functions you do not.
The natives travel long distances eating lots of protein sources. They have great endurance, tolerance to cold. Their lifestyle is ketogenic. It isn't until they got access to the grocery store and other cultures that things changed for them.

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[yellow snow]

on a side note to keep liver glycogen at a minimum stay away from fruit or anything with fructose. I have heard that fructose ( prodominate sugar in most fruits) tells to fill the glycogen in the liver first.

That being said if I do a 5 day keto 2 day off, on my off days I stick with high fiber veggies and a lot of oatmeal; almost no fruit.