GH is a waste without Slin? T or F

I have read many posts that at least imply that GH is a waste without slin. Who agrees with that? Is it true?

I have 5 kits of GH ready to go. I have been reading and reading and reading about it.

I think I am leaning towards GH/Glucophage/T-3. Along with regular AS cycles of course.

What do you guys think?


And let me say it before someone else does. SLIN CAN AND WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

DANGER, WARNING, DANGER, WARNING, DANGER, WARNING.

Thank you for all opinions and replies.

It is not a waste but I am using slin now and it is a major difference! I love it! If you can learn about slin I would try it!

yeah like gearedup said, it will still be beneficial without slin, but wih slin is where th magic occurs.

i see what your trying to do w/ the glucophage, im not to familiar w/ how well that works w/ gh, id have to look into it, it mioght be very effective, im not sure.

i bet high dose ala would make a good addition to a gh without slin cycle

regardless bro slin isnt that dangerous for us bros who make an effort to learn about it, its mostly the people who have never researched and just shoot slion cause their gym buddy told them so. they are the ones getting fuked up, im sure with a few hrs of researching youll be safe to go with slin. just start low slin dose so you know the ground your walking on.

Yeah SC. I ran across an old post of your where you said you did slin one time ed post workout only. On workout days only. At least that's what I think I remember. That sounds good to me.

If I do it, I am planning to do it one time ed post workout. Maybe start at 5iu's and work my way up to around 8 for this first go. And, I definately plan to have my Protein/Carb drink mixed and perfectly balanced. I would want to drink the drink immediately after the shot. I do not plan to try and time anything.

I am not going to attempt this until I have everything planned out exactly in writing. Meal plan included. Then I will run it by you guys to check it.

It seems like I would be a hell of a lot bigger than I am being this obsessed with all of this shit.

At least I am kinda lean.

ok bro sounds good,

i did some readin and you DO NOT wanna use glucophage with gh. glucophage works by blocking the glut4 recpetors on a cellular level. well guess what else uses the glut4 recpetors to get into cells? GH! it would be a total waste of gh.

ala and cla would be an awesome addition to gh however, as they would help.

Slin is alot easier than people make it out to be you just need to get your carbs and protein in at the right times and you are ok, keep some glucose tabs on you and everything is all good!

Thanks for the heads up about the glucophage. Man, that would suck.

I am feeling a lot better about the slin after doing more research.

One problem that I was encountering was that I often get stuck in business meetings that were supposed to last thirty minutes and end up taking hours. However, this only occurs Mid-morning to Mid-Day. I usually train about four or five in the afternoon and it should not be a problem to maintain a strict ritual from around the time I work out until four hours later.

When I started to entertain the thought of the slin, I was worried about my schedule during the workday. Can you imagine? Hey guys can we delay this meeting, I gotta go get some carbs and protein. I took some slin an hour or so ago and I may fall out in a minute. I don't think that would be condusive to a trusting business relationship.

The point is, I was glad to learn that I do my slin around workout time.

That brings up another question. I read an article that said to take one shot immediately before workout, and one shot one hour after workout. I have also read that you need to be experienced before you try to take slin before workouts.

What is your opinion on that? Should a person start with one shot after workout to learn their tolerance etc. to the slin. And, then start with the creative ways to maximize slin use later.

Hostile

If yoyu get humalog all you have to do is oay attention to time for 2 hours! Then you are good!

Your need to add insulin to HGH will also vary with your goals,metabolism and body type. If your doing a low carb cut with GH for example,no need for insulin.
Many people also release large amts of insulin naturally and it is unnecessary to supplement. Ideal candidate for the Insulin+HGH combo is an endomorph,and some mesomorphs who tend to have trouble gaining weight. The combo can work magic,it's just not always the way to go. Glad your researching.Dave Palumbo had a recent article in MD on this subject.

Start with the 1 shot after workout until you farmiliarize yourself with the signs of Hypo-shock. The other way to use it will definately yield better gains but it is for those with experience.
Read the thread GH Dosages here started by rippedchef, has some good info.

DecaDent* said:

Your need to add insulin to HGH will also vary with your goals,metabolism and body type. ... Ideal candidate for the Insulin+HGH combo is an endomorph,and some mesomorphs who tend to have trouble gaining weight. The combo can work magic,it's just not always the way to go.

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Why is this? I thought it would be best for an ectomorph, since the point is to put on weight when it's difficult to gain weight, right? Endomorphs and mesomorphs have a much easier time gain weight already...
And how would your metabolism effect your candidacy for 'slin?

DecaDent, I am definately a hard gainer. I am really glad to hear you say that the combo is geared toward someone like me. I am 35 years old and have been training and eating for bulk for my entire life basically. Even though I have only started trying to actually count calories and extensive research for about the last three or four years.

And Choke, I have read that entire thread and I plan to do the one shot after workout in the beginning. I plan to go back and basically scan every thread about HGH and Slin again before I start anything.

Do you have to get humalog from Canada? or can you get it in Texas?

And, exactly what dose slin would you guys start with while doing 6iu's ed of HGH? I was thinking start at 5iu's and work up. Should I start out lower than that?

GH is best taken
in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and
t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, This is because GH
injections cause a down regulation of insulin
sensitivity in the body. GH alone causes little growth
of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and
steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results
can be down right remarkable.I HOPE THIS HELPED

hostile said:

DecaDent, I am definately a hard gainer. I am really glad to hear you say that the combo is geared toward someone like me.

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I am too, but that's not what he said. Ectomorphs are the "hard-gainers"; typically we say from a bodybuilding standpoint that endomorphs have trouble losing fat, and mesomorphs have an easier time gaining muscle.

hostile said:

DecaDent, I am definately a hard gainer. I am really glad to hear you say that the combo is geared toward someone like me. I am 35 years old and have been training and eating for bulk for my entire life basically. Even though I have only started trying to actually count calories and extensive research for about the last three or four years.

And Choke, I have read that entire thread and I plan to do the one shot after workout in the beginning. I plan to go back and basically scan every thread about HGH and Slin again before I start anything.

Do you have to get humalog from Canada? or can you get it in Texas?

And, exactly what dose slin would you guys start with while doing 6iu's ed of HGH? I was thinking start at 5iu's and work up. Should I start out lower than that?

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Start light with the humulin...5iu...and
work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu
in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with
split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting
GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon
after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH
production. The insulin overcomes the
insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH
supplementation.

46and2aheadofme said:

Why is this? I thought it would be best for an ectomorph, since the point is to put on weight when it's difficult to gain weight, right? Endomorphs and mesomorphs have a much easier time gain weight already...
And how would your metabolism effect your candidacy for 'slin?

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Your right 46+2 I ment ectomorph (lean naturally) and not endo.
Thanks.

Insulin would be good for you go to www.canadapharmacy.com and get humalog!

I will make this simple as I can but read up on it:

Start out with 5iu's a day, immediately I drink a protein drink with carbs... say for 5iu's start out with 10 grams of carbs per iu untiul you know your body, most likely you can use about half that amount of carbs! So you take your shake immediately then 1 hour later take another shake with carbs and protein or eat a meal then on the second hour tak in another shake with more protein and less carbs! That is a very simple way to do it with humalog... 3 MRP shakes and in a little over 2 hours the insulin will not have any affect on you!

Slin is not that bad, but going hypo sucks ass... at the top of there game people do 20iu in the morning and 20iu after a workout, but only for about 4 weeks at a time or so... 10grams of carbs per iu and about 3-4 grams of protein per iu. You don't need all of that at all...but when people bulking EAT ALOT.

and please read alot more before you start slin.... it's not something you want to play with.. i think sully or nap has a long reading post in the Articles of Interest.. just looked and bumped it for you it was from tiny.. good reading

I have just read the article from tiny again. That is one long f**king article. It was by far the best I have read though. I scanned most of it the other day. This time I printed it out and read it slowly.

I just ordered my slin from canadapharmacy. I ordered the 10 ml bottle of humalog.

So, let me get some of this straight. One ml is 100 iu's. So, .1ml would be 10 iu's. I would probably start with 5 iu's which would be .05 ml's.

I should get the 30 unit slin pins and ten will be plenty since slin pins are reusable(opinions on that one? the article says one pin will last a week).

Injection should be subcutaneous because it takes 30-60 minutes for the insulin to take effect this way. The alternative is intramuscular which is much more dangerous because the insulin can start to take effect in 5-15 minutes.

You should use common-sense and a combination of High, Medium, and low G.I. (glucose index) foods to make sure there is enough glucose in your system at any given time. And fine tune the effectiveness of the slin with the same foods/MRP drinks.

The balancing act seems to be to make sure you get enough simple carbs, etc... to keep from going into hypoglycemia without getting fat.

The reason for the protein is because, without protein it is all a waste since the insulin promotes transport of amino acids. This is also the reason that you can get fat, because it does the same thing to fat that it does to protein.

Two different people can react completely differently to the same amount of slin. Making it imperitive to start out at a low dose and watch yourself very closely while increasing doses.

A good cycle for slin is one month on and then one month off. The reason for this is because your muscles will become supersaturated really fast and can " only take so much".

Some facts:

1. I am in week six of a twelve week cycle of tes/eq/deca/dbol.
2. I have 5 kits of GH ready to go.
3. I am really wanting to try the GH.
4. I am still a little scared of the slin. ( just a little)

Questions:

When should I start the GH?

When should I start the slin?

From everything I have read about timing and bridging with GH etc. etc. Right f**king now appears to be the perfect time.

Or should I start the GH now and wait on the slin?

Or should I wait on it all and just finish this cycle and time off then start GH/Slin combo on the next cycle?

If the answer is wait, honestly that will be hard to do. I hope the answer is to start the GH now and for a couple weeks and then maybe start the slin for a one month cycle which will make me finish up my first slin cycle and my current AS cycle at the same time. Then I could continue with the GH, clomid, etc..

Thanks for all the help bro's. I am eating this shit up. My usual pattern is to go ahead and buy my stuff and stash it until I am ready. I have had no problem with this in the past. I have had my fina for over six months without using it. I am just dying to try the GH.

Hope this is helping someone else.

Opinions please.

And, please corect anything above that is wrong. Well, actually I probably did not need to say that to this group.