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basskiller
10-21-2002, 10:04 AM
A new look into doing Sustanon250 by basskiller

As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
basskiller

days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.


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viper10139
10-21-2002, 10:13 AM
nice post...coolness..sustanon is the way I will be going if I ever receive it....

WeirdAl
10-21-2002, 10:14 AM
That's great! Can you contrast that with blood levels from shooting twice or three times a week? Anything to gain by shooting more the first day or two?

basskiller
10-21-2002, 10:21 AM
I will Al but it will take awhile..

You get to the maximum concentration levels in your blood faster by shoot more the first days... I've worked the numbers by just doing the 100mgs ed and it took until the 3 week before they got close to the max. level.

Then I did 200mgs ed for the entire first week and that puts you well over the max and still takes until the 3 week before they become constant.

superman1975
10-21-2002, 10:45 AM
good post BK---good for my next course

Gear101*
10-21-2002, 12:24 PM
last sust cycle i did.. was to shoot myself every third day.. whick came out to 860mg ew.. it worked good for me. :D

basskiller
10-21-2002, 12:36 PM
Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just developes a pattern after week 7

1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566

Kevan
10-21-2002, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Gear101*
last sust cycle i did.. was to shoot myself every third day.. whick came out to 860mg ew.. it worked good for me. :D

I agree I think that every 3 days works well and is often enough due to the prop in the sust. No need to shoot every day.

Gear101*
10-21-2002, 12:40 PM
i've never tried ED and sust... closes i got was every three and could really tell the deferents

G-S
10-21-2002, 12:52 PM
SO, ed is the way to go with sust? OUCH.

jshoty
10-21-2002, 01:56 PM
cool, i still wouldnt want to shoot sust everyday though

mbstrong
10-21-2002, 02:28 PM
Nice post bass but there's no way I'm hitting myself everyday.

JettLagged
10-21-2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by mbstrong
Nice post bass but there's no way I'm hitting myself everyday.

c'mon - that's the best part.

now... if mine ever decided to arrive that would be sweet.

Small
10-21-2002, 04:58 PM
ED is definately the best way. People who can't stand ED injections, should try to make those as often as possible, at least.

violator
10-21-2002, 05:42 PM
i would eod day injections look? not mon wed fri, but eod including weekends. mon, wed, fri, sun, tues, thrus, sat, mon.....etc

46and2aheadofme
10-21-2002, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by violator
i would eod day injections look? not mon wed fri, but eod including weekends. mon, wed, fri, sun, tues, thrus, sat, mon.....etc

it would look similar, but with a less drastic drop on the weekends. In other words, better, but still a far cry from the fairly constant levels from ED injections.

WeirdAl
10-21-2002, 09:39 PM
nice graph! That definitely helps drive home the point!

46and2aheadofme
10-21-2002, 09:45 PM
For those who learn visually:

46and2aheadofme
10-21-2002, 09:49 PM
So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...

46and2aheadofme
10-22-2002, 12:37 PM
Bump!

46and2aheadofme
10-22-2002, 10:11 PM
No one knows why we want to keep blood T levels even? Anyone at least think my graph is pretty? I did it during Criminal Law class. :D

DecaDent*
10-23-2002, 09:03 AM
That's a good question 46+2,why do we want to keep them level?...Most hormones are naturally either pulsitile with peaks and valleys related to their intermintant release(GH for example) or circadian with fluctuations related to the sleep/wake cycle (Test for example).
I'm not sure why we aim for constant levels,maybe mimicing a circadian pattern with test would be even better(but had to achieve I realize)...I don't know...
What does anyone else think about 46+2's question?

basskiller
10-23-2002, 12:24 PM
the more even the blood concentration, the greater the results and the less the side effects

basskiller
10-23-2002, 12:35 PM
Now the differences can be small but they're still there.
It's really up to the user as to weather or not the injection frequency outweighs the lack of a few extra lbs and more sides, by shooting sust 3 times a week

DecaDent*
10-23-2002, 12:54 PM
Bass any idea why? I've always heard and preached the same thing about keeping the concentration even but when 46+2 asked to expand on the reasoning as to why, I have to say I'm not sure exactly.

DecaDent*
10-23-2002, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Presser


I think the world maybe coming to an end now,lmao

LOL,I tell you what the problem is Presser,it's my low post-cycle post-Clomid natural friggin circadian Test levels. My brain runs much better on High-Test than low. I get too damn indecisive.


I'm still hoping for some more insight from Governor Bass ;)

basskiller
10-23-2002, 03:39 PM
Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page

The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here


Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....

The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .

The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.

There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.

basskiller
10-23-2002, 06:36 PM
I didn't want to bother you, Your in training for a show....

mr456
10-28-2002, 07:45 PM
Bass....I see your point. Keeping T levels at a constant has always been everyones goals....one thing that needs to be pointed out though is the fact that there are quite a few days where your T levels far exceed the 600 mark when shooting less than EOD.Even the lowest drops in the other method still hover around the 600 range. Whether this is a good or bad thing I am not quite certain yet. Good info....I would say something like this would be completely up to the user.....IMO if I am gonna stick a pin ED its gonna have Tren/Suspension or Prop in it though....just my thoughts bro.........456

I fall into the "less knowledgeable" category too I guess.

Choke03
12-04-2002, 04:50 PM
Trying this method now, started last week.

basskiller
12-04-2002, 05:01 PM
Keep us updated Choke

46and2aheadofme
12-04-2002, 08:24 PM
My beautiful graph has come back from the dead!