PDA

View Full Version : The Impossible???



jaywooly
11-06-2002, 06:54 PM
I'm 5'10" and I work out 5 days a week. I don't do any cardio (I know, I know) and lift constantly. I'm a whopping 238 pounds with about 18.5% body fat. My buddy got me to do a building cycle with him. He's really the brains behind the stuff but here's what I'm doing:
Weeks 1-5 35 mg D-bol
Weeks 3-6 2 cc's of Test and 2 cc's of EQ (one's 200 the other 250?)
Weeks 6-10 2.5 cc's of Test and 2 cc's of EQ
Running Nolvadex throughout cycle.

I'm going to start week 6 on Monday and I've already gained 20 pounds. I've noticed a concederable increase in streanth.

I want to esentually lose 23 pounds of fat and gain 20 pounds of muscle. That's my ultimate goal. My question is how do I do that?

I plan to run a cutting cycle in February (10 weeks). I was planning on some fina, EQ - and perhaps some winnies to kick start. I plan on hitting the cardio hard, and I mean real hard after my current cycle is up (three days a week: sprints and long distance). With a guess, how many cycles until I reach my goal (5'10" 235lbs 10%bf) if I keep going bulking, cutting, bulking, cutting and so on? Also, can you suggest what I should do differently (in terms of diet/gear/training)?

Lastly, my diet. I try for each day:

300 grams protein
2500 calories
130 carbs.

Any advice is much appreciated from this rookie! Thanks in advance.

jshoty
11-06-2002, 07:05 PM
well lets see here, firstly i dont know why you started you test and eq three weeks into your cycle, but that will probally be ok. i wouldnt run the novadex all the way through the cycle, only run it if gyno symptoms appears. your diet seems to be kinda low in calories if your bulking, but i dont know maybe you can grow off that amount of cals. Another thing your not gonna want to do abunch of cardio right after your cycle is up, your youll burn a TON of muscle. Lastly are you planning on using any clomid after your cycle? If not you better get some, or most of your gains will be gone. gluck bro

jaywooly
11-06-2002, 07:52 PM
Thanks jshoty. Clomit is good to keep gains? I've heard of it, but not for that purpose. How much cardio should I do after my cycle? I want to keep the muscle but I understand I'll lose some. I'm 18.5% bf and to me, when I shot up 20 lbs in a month I was scared. I know some is water weight but I weigh nearly 240 lbs! That's way bigger than I thought I'd be. My goal again is to lose 23 lbs fat and gain 20 lbs muscle as of now. A friend told me the best way to do so is to focus on one at a time, prefeably gain the muscle first. I don't want to weigh 265 lbs on a 5'10' frame. After I bulk, I'll take about 3 mos off - then comes my cutting cycle. Is it possible to maybe each cutting cycle lose 5-7 lbs fat (retaining most muscle) and each bulking cycle gain 5-7 lbs muscle (keeping most fat off)? If so what do you sugest running for each one?

DADDY48
11-07-2002, 01:48 PM
you have to get clomid for your post cycle recovery for many reasons. the steroids you are on now have decreased if not shut down your natural testosterone production, your nuts should or might have already shrunk as well.some of that testosterone is being converted into estrogen.when you come off you will have a very low amount of test in your body accompanied by an unusually high amount of estrogen this will result in a high catabolic effect(your muscles will be eaten up by your body).clomid will signal your body to start prducing testosterone again as will hcg,and hcg will help your nuts regain it's original size faster.

DADDY48
11-07-2002, 01:54 PM
i also agree that its surprising for a guy your size to make that many gains with your calories so low. are you acctually counting your calories or is that an estimate?in my opinion 2200-2500 cals is what you should be at while cutting.do searches on fatloss,cardio,and cutting cycles on here. there lots of info. and don't forget diet is the most important aspect of bodybuilding/sculpting.

viper10139
11-07-2002, 02:30 PM
diet/sleep/and more than anything research on this board!!! kind of strange not taking the test and EQ until the 3rd week....little different!!! but u need to run them from day one!!!

BiggerStronger
11-07-2002, 02:58 PM
What's the benefit of clomid over nolvadex post cycle and throughout. I thought the nolvadex keeps estrogen levels low and slightly raises natural testosterone? What's everyone's opinion?

DADDY48
11-07-2002, 03:06 PM
I WOULD USE BOTH IF POSSIBLE, BUT IF I INLY HAD ONE I'D GO WITH CLOMID, IT'S BEEN USED SUCCESFULLY FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME FOR RECOVERY WHILE NOLVADEX FOR RECOVERY IS RELATIVELY NEW

BiggerStronger
11-12-2002, 09:09 PM
bump for an answer to my question

Badgermoon
11-12-2002, 10:10 PM
I've not taken Nolvadex, but isn't it an estrogen blocker? If so, it wouldn't stop estrogen conversion, just keep it from having an affect on you. The clomid post therapy will get your natural test production circuit going again, and the HCG will get your jools back to size and working faster, making clomid more effective. At least it should all come together faster. I don't have any Nolva on hand myself. I'm going with teslac, and so far it seems to be working great. haven't really noticed any water bloat (I'm sure there might be a little) and my ballz haven't shrunk much at all, less than when I did a HRT cycle of 200mg/wk cyp.