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hostile
11-25-2002, 01:44 PM
I have just read an article that totally contradicts what I thought about insulin usage.

Here is my plan:

10 iu's insulin post workout on workout days only.

Consume 100g carbs with 60g protien and glutamine/creatine in a shake with insulin.

One hour later, drink Meal Replacement Drink.

On the second hour, eat lowfat meal or another Drink.

Glucose tabs in pocket. Humalog insulin.

Could everyone please post their insulin program so we can see how to do it?

LA
11-25-2002, 02:46 PM
My current program:

15 ius of log pw on workout days only.

Shake with 120g protein, 75g carbs (gatorade)

1 hour later: Shake w/96g protein, 40g carbs (juice)

2 hours later: 3 cans of tuna

46and2aheadofme
11-25-2002, 05:19 PM
I am running things exactly the same as you, hostile, except that I'm erring a little on the safe side post-workout. My pw drink has around 160g carbs, 50g protein. I like the progress I'm making so far. 2 weeks and no hypo signs yet either.
By the way, what did the article say?

hostile
11-25-2002, 08:04 PM
46, it was the article posted on here by dpsquat. The guy that wrote it says to do slin once or twice a week max. And preferably do it 3 times in one day on wednesday and that's it.



And 46, One time I did 10 iu's post workout with my 110 carbs/60g protien shake. And then I did not eat anything else for two and a half hours. I had glucose tabs in my pocket just in case, but I had no problems with going hypo. I did'nt plan to do that experiment. The reason I ended up with no food for two hours is a long story, but the point is, no hypo. That made me feel much less paranoid.

46and2aheadofme
11-25-2002, 09:46 PM
Yeah, sorry, saw the article after I responded in this thread. I am a lot less paranoid too after a few weeks. So much so, in fact, that I'm thinking about adding insulin in the morning too, but I'm not sure about that. I know people do it but I'm doing my gh in the morning too, and general opinion is that you're not supposed to do gh and slin at the same point in the day...

hostile
11-25-2002, 09:56 PM
Yeah, I saw your response on that thread. And then dpsquat responded explaining who the guy is and he sounds reputable. I hope more vets/mods respond to that post. I am at least a little concerned about the self induced diabetic comment.

And yeah, I was talking to gearedup via pm the other day and he does 15iu's am and 15iu's post workout. I am thinking of doing the same. And I am doing GH in the am also. Maybe space the GH and slin a couple hours. I am thinking of this.

8am: 10 iu's insulin with high carb breakfast, protein etc.

11am: 4.5iu's gh

2pm: suspension/fina mix

3pm: train hard

4pm: 10 iu's slin with carbs/protein etc.


Of course with good diet in between. And with glucose tablets on hand. But, I will say that I have had no problem with fat gain at all. As a matter of fact I am getting leaner. I was always a hard gainer though. I think the insulin program is perfect for people like me. I am trying to basically eat all I can all the time and just keep it fairly clean during the two hours after slin.

And BTW, this insulin rocks. I have not seen anything come close to what it does. I think I can literally feel it forcing carbs/protein/glutamine/creatine/etc. into my muscles. It is amazing.

midwtchamp
11-26-2002, 02:00 AM
bump I wanna hear more on this too...

notacow
11-26-2002, 02:38 AM
Ok, this is a little off topic, but here goes.

I'm using humulin-r on sunday, after my carb up, to go into ketosis quickly.
I take 3 units with NO CARBS, and then 2 hours later I'm a little hypo (I'm a freak, so I actually kinda like it). I do this at 10, at 4, and at 8. Eat only protein, no fat and no carbs. I sleep at midnight and wake up monday morning way into ketosis, I then lose fat all week till I carb on fri night. By friday morning my fasting glucose level is 55, very low.

I have also done several experiments with slin and different types of carbs. I have learned a lot about slin. And gained a lot of confidence.

The thing that's basically missing from most of the plans above is the carb schedule. LA is doing 75 grams sugar, which peaks in an hour (I have measured this personally), and then doing 40g more of very fast carbs. Hostile does 100g of some type of carbs (fast or slow?), and then more after an hour, and more at 2 hours. When does his slin peak? Does the carb intake schedule really match?

To answer these questions, and design a truly excellent slin program, you should look up the 'glycemic index' of the carbs you're running, and also take them without slin and measure your blood sugar levels to verify the release rates. Then match this with the profile of the 'slin you're using (example: R type peaks in 2 hours, and I don't mean 100 minutes, it's almost exactly 120 minutes, I've measured it)

Glucose meters are NO LONGER EXPENSIVE. You can get an 'accu-check active' at many drugstores for $20, you have to get test strips and they're $25. There are specials on some websites where the meter is FREE when you buy 100 test strips for $46.

I can't really see any excuse for not using a meter. The idea that "I didn't feel any hypo, so I must be ok" doesn't really cut it (imho). You really should measure your blood sugar and be 100% sure that your post-insulin meal schedule is safe and effective. The main drawback is that you have to poke holes in your fingers (one day I had 2 holes in every finger on my left hand) but we're supposed to be used to that sort of thing :D

MacGyver
11-26-2002, 04:43 AM
Very interesting replies. I am new on the slin issue. So it is good to soak up the info.

hostile
11-26-2002, 12:23 PM
Okay, now I am feeling that I am not qualified to use the slin. :D I am ready to learn how to exactly time my carbs. What exactly am I looking for. I was starting to think that I could just eat as much as I can(making sure to get 10g carbs per 1lb body weight on first drink). I was thinking this because I am having no problems with gaining fat.

Now, I am ready to get much deeper into the chemistry/biology of slin usage. Anyone care to give a laymen's explanation as to exactly what to measure, what to look for, what to time. I think I have a basic understanding, but I would not want to put it in writing in case I am wrong. :D

Notacow, thanks for your reply, I have read many posts by you and you definately know your shit. I would love to hear a "measuring peak times/glucose levels" 101 lecture from you.

46and2aheadofme
11-26-2002, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the detailed response notacow.
2 things:

1. I went searching on the internet last night for info on average length of time to peak blood sugar levels for different kinds of sugars. Nada. Anyone?

2. Even if we knew that, say, maltodextrin takes X amount of time to peak, we don't know how much maltodextrin is in our weight gainer, unless we order from protein factory. And anyway, if you drink a shake immediately post-workout and then an hour later, isn't your body going to be digesting them over a couple of hours?

notacow
11-26-2002, 05:58 PM
I know. You can find lists of the glycemic index of foods till the cows come home, but they never tell you how long the actual release takes. Combine this with the fact that it's hard to find out what type the carbs are in your MRP and .....

I'm just making it seem harder that it is (again! I hate it when I do that).

All you really need to do is: do your normal food/slin routine (like you posted above). Test your blood sugar levels.

for example:

If it's still 130 at 2 hours then you know you ate plenty of carbs in the first meal (and might want to add more slin).

or, for example:

If it's 50 after 3 hours then maybe you want to have more carbs in your second meal, or use less slin (and you're probably shaking).

Once you get the meter and do some tests it all becomes really simple. Do a couple of tests, change your routine a little, do some more tests. You'll be a 'slin genius in no time.

hostile
11-26-2002, 06:39 PM
Thank you again notacow.

Another (probably dumb) question.

I understand the importance of getting enough carbs in your program. To keep from dying. But, why is it a problem to do too many carbs other than possible fat gain? And what exactly is " spillover"?

sully
11-26-2002, 09:00 PM
up

Armageddon
11-27-2002, 02:01 AM
so get the maltodextrin straight from walmart. That way you know how much your getting.

Armageddon
11-27-2002, 02:54 AM
an easy and effect example:

10iu's slin(R) directly following workout. 15 mins. later have a carb force. Add to that 5g of creatine and 5g of Glutamine. Also take in 25-50g of protein.

1hr later eat a regular meal that is low in fat and high in protein, with mixed carbs.

All should be well. Things can be changed around alittle depending on what your trying to do to your body. You can use the maltodextrin to add in extra carbs and help the massive gains.

midwtchamp
11-29-2002, 03:04 AM
bump