Clear this up for me.........

...dont DIETS, and not the drug determine if a cycle is bulk or cut...if so why do people associate certain drugs with certain type cycles(bulk or cut)...why dont you see more people say they are bulking with prop and winny(example) and then explain their diet regimen, since that is what will control it anyway...it just seems that most think the water retention in the "bulkers" actually count for something...

very good point.....but people have an infatuation with the scale and whether or not if the weight that u gain is water, people still think it is better then not at all...but yet...other AS's r not for mass but for quality muscle and therefore i guess u could say that also...but doet has 2 do with it also.

i agree with you guys there is one big ripped bastard in my gym that cuts on 1g of sust and 600 mg of deca and hes shredded I believe its all in your diet doesn't matter what drugs you take.

I have heard of pros using 150 mg of anadrol right up to contest time aswell

A lot of the cutting drugs are used b/c they dont promote as much water bloat... for example winny, prop, tren, and eq are all the AS that do not make the body hold as much water (Halo and anavar are like this too). Whereas, your deca, dbol, a bombs, and sust and the longer test esters will tend to cause more water holding, but you are correct diet is the majority of the game.

...to me water bloat means absolutely nothing, i want the most quality muscle in a cycle as possible...i know the water ret has its pros i.e strength,mass, but for a lot of people it helps their ego more than anything...

morbid316 said:

i agree with you guys there is one big ripped bastard in my gym that cuts on 1g of sust and 600 mg of deca and hes shredded I believe its all in your diet doesn't matter what drugs you take.

I have heard of pros using 150 mg of anadrol right up to contest time aswell

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I must agree. One of my bro's is a soccer player and during the season he alwasy uses enanthate and deca. He's is not extremy large but he sure is very muscular to say the least and he is cut byond your believe. It's indeed his diet, cuz I don't think he even knows the word bulking and I don't even think he knows where to get his protein. So he just eats like he always does and along with all that running this is making him look really good.

Ok, it's not the water bloat but the source of the water bloat- estrogen. Nothing on the face of this earth can derail your cutter as fast as estrogen. Estrogen is a fat storage hormone and levels that are raised only slightly (not enough to cause gyno) and hinder the fat loss process.

Certain AS that have been labeled as cutters don't convert to estrogen (or are so extremely low that for sake of discussion that I will include them in the do not convert category). Such as tren, eq, winny, halo, masteron. Deca is another drug that has a low conversion rate but a high progrestrone conversion rate. Progestrone is another fat storage hormone but not in the class as estrogen. A lot of cutters use fast acting test, so the test is in and out before it has a chance to convert. However, it does anyway although maybe to a less extent.

Certain AS raise IGF-1 levels. IGF-1 will rip you up like nothing on the face of the planet (including dnp). Tren & deca lead the pack here, with test somewhat behind. That is why you see people reporting gains in lean mass and becoming ripped at the same time on a tren cycle.

To me the classic cutter (not necessarly a show cutter) is tren & winny. The winny should keep your dick hard. Another popular choice is tren and proviron. Proviron won't do dick except to keep willy happy but has no stress on the liver.