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bigjosh
12-10-2002, 10:30 PM
I found a website selling kynoselen in the typical 100ml bottles for only 17.34 per bottle. They are located in Australia, but ship worldwide and no probs should be experienced with customs since it is legal. I just figured I'd pass along the info. If you are interested go to: www.expressvetproducts.com

Oh, and make sure you select the price display to be in US currency.

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HardMoFo
12-10-2002, 10:37 PM
what the hell is that stuff used for?

bigjosh
12-10-2002, 10:53 PM
From what I gather some say it does nothing others say it helps preserve muscle, raise metabolism, increase vascularity, burn bodyfat. Medically it is used to help greyhounds lose bodyfat and get ready for a race/show. It is not a miracle drug, many claim it is crap. It is basically some vitamins w/ some AMP added.

Here is some info on it:

Kynoselen is a muscular stimulant, tonic and restorative. It provides cellular, muscular and metabolic stimulation and helps regulate and protect cardio-vascular function. In Europe and Australia it is used in the treatment of horses and dogs with muscular dystrophies. It works by stimulating energy transformation, fat metabolism and metabolic oxidative processes.

Kynoselen is very effective for helping overweight dogs lose excess bodyfat and gain muscle in preparation for the show ring. It can also be used to enhance performance during strenuous activities such as racing. Although this is not an anabolic steroid, please check with your sanctioning body as Kynoselen is banned by certain organizations including some horse racing and greyhound racing organizations


Composition Each 100 mL contains disodic adenosine monophosphate 0.2 g, heptaminol hydrochloride 0.5 g, sodium selenite 0.05 g, potassium aspartate 1 g, magnesium aspartate 1.5 g and cyanocobalamin 0.025 g.

Actions Cardiac and respiratory restorative and tonic. Selenium supplement.

Indications : An aid in control of muscular dystrophy and tying up syndrome in horses and dogs; aid in the treatment and prevention of muscular disorders due to selenium deficiency.

Dosage and Administration : Give by subcutaneous or intramuscular injection. For prevention, give 1 injection once a week for 2 to 3 weeks; for treatment, give 1 injection once every 3 days for 9 to 12 days. Adult horses. 20 mL. Foals. 10 mL. Dogs. 2 to 5 mL according to size.

Presentation : Injection: 100 mL.

bigjosh
12-10-2002, 10:54 PM
expressvetproducts.com carries almost lots of products w/ the same active ingredients as the synthetek products, but for a fraction of the cost. I personally have never orderred from them, but am going to give it a try.

rooster1
12-10-2002, 11:39 PM
:D I definitely have been wanting to try it.I wanted to try the kynoselen with an inj. B-12 on a good cycle.It should kick ass!!
Thanks for the heads up on this.:)

red2x2001
12-10-2002, 11:48 PM
i ordered from them got 2 bottles used one and about 5 ml out of the other. the more you take i feel the better it works but 12 ml a week is too much for me to take.

bigjosh
12-11-2002, 01:00 AM
All those who pay 75-120 per bottle are getting screwed. A few hours searching online and I finally found it for only 17.00 per bottle. I orderred 5 bottles of kyno, and some other products they have. From what I can see alot of the products may be superior to kyno. I just can't believe these prices. They seem too good to be true... I guess I know if/when my stuff arrives...

bigjosh
12-11-2002, 01:02 AM
I also got a bottle of MITOCHONDRIAL INJECTION which looked liek it may be good the massive stack my "grey hound" will be taking, LOL:

Mitochondral Injection 100ml


Composition : Each mL contains l-carnitine 200 mg, d-phenylalanine 4 mg, l-isoleucine 5.33 mg.

Actions : l-Carnitine is an essential cofactor of lipid metabolism found in living tissues, particularly the heart and skeletal muscles, where it is involved in cellular energy production. Its action is to assist the transportation of long chain fatty acids across the membrane of the cell mitochondria to enable their breakdown by enzyme pathways into energy (ATP), carbon dioxide and water. Carnitine is also believed to have other important roles, such as preventing the toxic accumulation of acetyl CoA compounds. These compounds are trapped as carnitine esters and transported from the muscle to the liver for processing, and to the kidney for excretion. This function is not unlike a physiological buffer and so carnitine may play a protective role in preventing metabolic acidosis. l-Carnitine is available to animals through their diet or by endogenous (within the body) biosynthesis from dietary precursors. However, as herbage and cereals have relatively low levels of carnitine, endogenous production is important. Deficiency of l-carnitine can therefore arise when the diet is lacking in carnitine, or precursors (lysine, methionine, vitamin C, vitamin B6, niacin and iron). Signs of carnitine deficiency in the body are associated with a failure to utilise fatty acids for energy production and include skeletal muscle dysfunction and weakness, heart enlargement, heart failure and rhythm disturbances, and hepatic dysfunction.

Indications : l-Carnitine requirements are known to rise during periods of increased tissue demand. Supplementation is recommended in the following situations: performance feeding; neonates (foals and yearlings have been found to have greater requirements for l-carnitine); diets known to be low in carnitine and its precursors; cardiac and skeletal muscle disease; hepatic and renal disease; debilitation, inappetence, convalescence; gastrointestinal disturbances and parasitism; derangements in fat metabolism.

Dosage and Administration : Administer intramuscularly twice weekly, preferably within 4 to 6 hours of expected strenuous exercise, or as directed by a veterinary surgeon. Adult horses. 15 to 25 mL. Racing dogs. 2 to 5 mL.

Presentation : Injection (multidose vial): 100 mL.

bigjosh
12-11-2002, 01:04 AM
And my final product that I'll be the guinea pig w/ that I orderred was Dynacleine 50ml:


Composition :Adenosine triphosphate (ATP).

Actions : ATP is the essential high energy component of chemical reactions required for intracellular metabolism, muscle contraction and nerve function. It has been used clinically to help reduce the effects of fatigue and muscular overwork, and is used as an adjunct to treatment of torn and injured muscle, tendon and ligament tissue, particularly in the racing greyhound. May assist in muscular contraction and the production of intracellular energy.

Indications : Muscular injuries in greyhounds.

Dosage and Administration : Intramuscular injection. Horses. 2 mL/50 kg bodyweight. Dogs. 1 mL/10 kg bodyweight. 2 to 5 injections may be administered 24 to 48 hours apart. Local administration. To assist repair as an adjunct to other therapy: multiple injections of 0.2 to 0.5 mL to total 1 to 2 mL around area of muscle injury 24 to 48 hours after injury in racing greyhounds.

Presentation : Injection (multidose vial), 12.5 mg/mL: 50 mL.

bigjosh
12-11-2002, 01:06 AM
Anyone interested in kyno, it's active ingredients, or any related products should check out that website. There are so many different preparations for you dogs to use and the prices are sweet. And no I'm not affiliated w/ this website. I'm just excited cuz I just got a super deal! Hopefully this shit will work and I can prove all those people wrong! hahaha... or i'll just be quiet and whimper....:rolleyes:

gearedup
12-11-2002, 01:48 AM
Everyone that tried it pretty much said it was a waste! I wouldnt waste your money!

bigjosh
12-11-2002, 02:59 AM
I agree that it may be a waste. But those same people are I believe are likely suspecting steroidal type gains from it since it is an injectable. I mean take creatine and glutamine for example; I believe it works, but when I take it I can't see any dramatic change. I wonder sometimes if I get anything out of it or if it is just my dietary changes or natural progression in the sport.

Addittionally I truly believe 99% of those who have used kyno only used 1 bottle and at a doseage that is 1/4 or that needed to get gains. I don't mean dramatic gains, but just mediocre supplemental gains. I can't see it being more effective than creatine, but hey if creatine works and there is a supplement out there that works to the same degree as well, what is wrong with using it.

Let's say that none of the ingredients in themselves provide any benefit to the body. The itramuscular addition of fluid could possibly provide space for new muscular tissue similar to synthol. Maybe not since it's water based but it just crossed my mind.

But if you are right, it's too late cuz I already bought a bunch. I figure I can't go wrong with buying 5 bottles of kyno if they are only 17.00 each. What can I lose? I mean I can even sell two of the bottles legally on ebay or at the gym if nothing is happenning and make my money back with ease. They got some guy selling it on ebay right now too!, lol.

I will be taking no AS along w/ my kyno and will be taking a roughly 6 cc's ED if I can handle it until I run out and will post my results if any. Finally, in a few weeks we may actually have a high dose kynoselen experience on this board to share or a lack thereof! LOL! Only time will tell....

bigjosh
12-11-2002, 03:09 AM
One could easily set up an online bussiness quintupling their money by getting kyno at these prices and selling them to bodybuilders so that they can give them to their dogs. After all every bodybuilder has there own horse, cow, and greyhound don't they? I know I sure do! LOL

rippedchef
12-11-2002, 08:55 AM
at 6cc ED with a good amount of BA or whatever makes it "sting like a hive of bees"-I think it will be more like "loud groans of agony" than "quiet wimpering"-Good Luck!!

bigpump9
12-11-2002, 09:11 AM
is kyno oil based?

DADDY48
12-11-2002, 05:46 PM
INTRESTING BRO. KEEP US POSTED

bigjosh
12-11-2002, 05:53 PM
No, it appears to be water based. I borrowed one cc from a poor friend of mine who bought his bottle for 120! Anyways I shot it in my stomach sub-q and it stung for about 10minutes and now I can't feel anything. I haven't started my heavy kyno cycle yet, i was just trying it out while I wait for mine to get here. I used a 27g insulin needle and it worked fine.

Pumpdog
12-12-2002, 11:01 PM
Kyno is water based ...

Hmmm ... Dynacleine sounds interesting. Keep us posted. I'd like to hear how it makes you feel/energy levels and all that.

xcelbeyond
12-12-2002, 11:14 PM
They also sell AMP real cheap!

Just be careful when taking this!!! I took what should have been a safe dose, 375mg and DAMN NEAR passed out! :eek:

xcel

bigjosh
12-13-2002, 02:28 AM
I've already placed three orders... since yesterday,,,lol. I am getting:

6 100ml bottles kynoselen

2 20ml bottles AMP-5
(Adenosine5-monophosphote 200mg/ml)

1 100ml bottle Mitochondrial Injection
(lcartinine200mg/ml, d-phenylalanine, i-isoleucine)

1 100ml bottle Enerselen (adinosine triphosphate, uridine triphosphate, heptaminol hydorcholorid, magnesium aspartate, potassium aspartate, cyanocobalamin)

1 50ml bottle Dynacleine (ATP)
1 100ml bottle Aminoplex (vitamin and amino acid inj)
1 100ml V.A.M (another vitamin and mineral sup)

I plan on taking a massive stack of all this stuff lasting 100 days. I will slowly increase my doseages as a safety measure depending on how I feel. I am doing this for 100 days and then I will go back on AS. If this works I am going to do AS cycles and do ATP/AMP/amino/vitamin/glutamine/creatine cycles in my off time.

I will be extra careful as I have never heard of anyone taking this stuff before. Most of these products speed metabolism and act as a cardiac stimulant and vasodialotor. I am gonna get my blood pressure checked regularly as a precaution. I am hoping to gain a little muslce or strength and lose some fat and hopefully have an improve in my forearm, bicep, and delt vascularity.

Finally in a few months we will have a report of what all this kyno related stuff dose in realistic (or maybe obscene) doseages. I believe most who say kyno doesn't work are taking a whole cycle w/ one bottle which I think is far to little. And again the gains to be expected should be more like traditional supplemention nature and not anabolic.

I can't wait to see what if any of the results I take. Oh and I took 1cc of kyno in my stomach today. It hardly stung at all. I won't have any problem handling the multiple daily injections. It difuses quite quicky too which is a plus.

Trenimator76
12-13-2002, 02:52 AM
damn bro that is a fuckin heavy cycle. You better be careful. I heard kyno has mnerals that can increase blood pressure and might even get a heart attack if injected fast. Also with all the minerals you might get kidney stones.

xcelbeyond
12-13-2002, 08:59 AM
Don't take the AMP and Kyno together!!!! (way too much AMP)

AMP is a drug that you want to take 1-hour before stepping on stage or before photo shoot. It will pull oxygen into the blood - result = INCREASED vasularity and reduce cramps! You will hyperventilate for some time after taking it. Too much AMP will pull oxygen from brain and make you pass out and who knows "what else."

AMP is one of the "Pro BB'er's Secret." There have been good posts about it over at my board (many of the good vets and mods here visit us). Just do a search for "AMP" under my username "xcelbeyond."

xcel

rooster1
12-13-2002, 11:10 AM
bigjosh,there still seems to be some controversy on this supplement and I am very interested in your doses and feedback.I hope you follow through and post some results.

bigjosh
12-13-2002, 12:21 PM
I will keep everyone posted and I will be very very careful. I will try a little bit of each substance first and work up to stacking and increasing the dose. I thought that bb'ers who take AMP before stepping on stage take massive doses? But if you felt that way from 375mg then I better be careful. Anyways, I will be super careful bros and thanks for the concern. I will take time to see how my body reacts to each supplement and doseage and slowly add them together in a stack if it is even possible. For all I know the effects of one of the group may be enough in itself. I will let my body let me know. AS far as kidney stones are concerned, that is a scray thought... I appreciate any further input u guys have and thanks again for the concern.

BTW, I did a search on AMP and xcelbeyond and only came up w/ the two posts I started.... Are you speaking of doing a search on some other board maybe?
bigjosh

xcelbeyond
12-13-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by bigjosh
BTW, I did a search on AMP and xcelbeyond and only came up w/ the two posts I started.... Are you speaking of doing a search on some other board maybe?
At http://www.professionalmuscle.com

xcel

chrislampo
12-17-2002, 02:42 PM
what is a good dosage for humans ?ml per day

ken69dahl
12-17-2002, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by gearedup
Everyone that tried it pretty much said it was a waste! I wouldnt waste your money!

Exactly what I have heard!

cybersteffan
12-17-2002, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by gearedup
Everyone that tried it pretty much said it was a waste! I wouldnt waste your money!

why thank you! very usefull post! real life experiences is all that matters to me.

Armageddon
12-17-2002, 06:07 PM
I liked it, it helped with my cardio vascular conditioning, alot. Have friends that were using it before shows and seemed to help them. I like it!

rado
12-17-2002, 08:28 PM
nice post.

Stickler*
12-18-2002, 09:21 AM
damn dude.. good luck, be careful... oh and kidney stones... oooh, like childbirth for a man.... BUT, hopefully it'll be worth it.. ;)

j/k ... well not really... BUT... good luck and PLEASE be careful!!

pinfinity
05-02-2003, 03:56 AM
I have used Kyno since I learned of it at anabolics.com and find it to be most useful as an vascular enhancing agent. I used it Intramuscularlywith a 27 gauge at around 3-5ml a day and could really tell the difference when I DID NOT use it. It seems to stack really well with the test/equipoise phase of dogcrapps' (Animalkits.be) cycle strategy. This may not be true for all but when I first used it I shot sub q and didn't see shit for results. When I converted to IM however the results for me were pretty impressive. 3-5ml a day may seem like alot but this dosage seemed to up my endurance/stamina significantly. I, like many others bought mine off e-bay@ 60.00 per bottle. I have been waiting to see it alot cheaper and now that I know where to look i will definitely be using it again at even higher dosages.

So, to recap,

3-5ml IM daily:

vascularity: for me it seemed to bring out those fine striations alot quicker; say 2-3 weeks faster during the equipoise/test phase ( I will continue to use it during the "cruise" period this time as well)

endurance: workouts were not as difficult/recovery periods shortened.

I hope this info. has been helpful to all. Any questions can be pm'd to me if you have them but use of kyno IM verses sub-q IMO will yield the greatest benefit.

PIN

PAIN_IN_THE_ASS
05-02-2003, 08:40 AM
You think this would be an effective fat loss product for humanshttp://www16.brinkster.com/expressvet/itemimages_files/2035.jpg [/IMG]

Nicole
05-02-2003, 08:47 AM
Im on it now..

I do 1cc spot injections in 2 body parts every other day...

Great pumps.. lots of pokes though-- and it burns a bit- but I kinda like it.. haha I like it for bridging between anavar cycles... last time I used it to bridge I maintained all my strength-
It does tend to bring out an appetite in me though...

Subq- has left scarring on some people... I wouldnt go that route..

Nicole
05-02-2003, 08:48 AM
But that price is unreal... Ive seen it up to about $80 online!!

PAIN_IN_THE_ASS
05-02-2003, 08:58 AM
nicole does it burn body fat

Nicole
05-02-2003, 12:54 PM
Its supposed to - but my appetite is through the roof- this may be just how it affects me.. certainly doesnt surpress it!

bigjosh
05-02-2003, 01:17 PM
I took 10cc's of kyno ED for several weeks and noticed a loss of bf and great increase in cardiovascular endurance and vascularity but I do not think it works for fat loss on its own. It only helps preserve muscle while dieting on YOUR OWN and also increases vascularity. I think most people do not take enough ED that don't like it or they expect it to do the dieting work for them when it only augments someones dieting, but does not work on it's own to burn fat IMO.

bigjosh
05-02-2003, 01:18 PM
its a good anti catabolic in other words...

PAIN_IN_THE_ASS
05-02-2003, 01:50 PM
thanks nicole & josh

Nicole
05-02-2003, 02:10 PM
josh- are you spot injecting sub q? thats alot per day!!

bigjosh
05-02-2003, 02:58 PM
I site inject alot of it, but not all. When taking 10cc's ED I site inject about 4-6cc's. I do 2 3cc shots in my thigh or glut which dissipate quickly since it's water based so its easy to do ED. Then I do the rest intramuscularly w/ a slin pin in the desired muscle or subq in my stomach or side/rear hamstring (back outside of my leg). I find this spot to hurt the least out of all subq shots. The side rear hamstring right below the skin but above the muscle is a good place to get those remaining cc's in because I can hardly feel that region for some reason. I am talking about the spot below your but cheeck well onto your leg on the rear outside of your hamstring below the skin, not IM. I do inject it in love handle fat and abdominal fat but not all the time because it feels like a bee sting and I can't take the pain several times ED. It's not that bad but enough that I don't want to deal w/ it ALL THE TIME. If you take it I"m sure you know the bee sting feeling I'm talking about. When doing intramuscular shots I use a slin needle and hit muscles that a close to the skin. I have low bf so this is easy. I have injected every single part of each head of my triceps, shoulders, biceps, lats, traps, and calves. Calves hurt the worst, but the others aren't bad. For the lat shots I get someone to help me. I can reach some parts of my lats under my armpit, but not parts further on my back. I also hit little muscles of the back like my traps. Upper and lower traps extending down my middles back. Again this takes a helper to inject for you.

My glut shots are mainly to get the volume of all the vitamins and AMP in my system to aid in stopping muscle catabolism and speed metabolism and aid in fat loss. The site injections do this too, but also are used as a mild site enhancing product, kinda like a short acting synthol. After prolonged daily injections into a muscle w/ kyno you can increase it's size a little bit. The best area I had success w/ was the lowest tip of my outer tricep head. I kept pumping it up and it got a little bigger. Again this stuff is no magical drug and most think it's worthless. I find it useful when in a recovery phase as a non hormonal supplement. When b/w cycles for example because you do not want to fuck w/ your hormones...

Zeca
05-03-2003, 05:04 AM
good info bigjosh