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papapump112
12-11-2002, 10:16 PM
Ok Bros heres the update mid way through...

Stats: 21y/o, 168lbs, 5'8", 11%bf

I just completed week 6 of my 12 week Test/Deca cycle
Enanthate @ 500 mg/wk
Deca @ 400 mg/wk
Nolva 10 mg/ed

I am up 3 more lbs last week bringing my total to 18 so far...

I decided to take all my measurements again yesterday to check overall progress in each area...

My bf% has increased only 1/2% according to the skinfold caliper, which is likely error or if not who cares right...As long as i dont go way up around 15 i think i can deal...I started at 150 w/10.5% so 11% isnt too big a deal...

Arms,calves,neck,chest,quads,forearms have all grown at least an 1" each...Maybe not the forearms...haha...but quads and chest have blown up especially and cloths are fitting really tight in those areas

Also my strength is strating to really increase...Especially Squats adn Deads...

Sides are all minimal and manageable...Do sweat alot in my sleep...backnae is under control...no stretch marks...

Im running the Deca @ 500 from here on in, through week 11 only...And the test is statying at 500 through week 12...im hoping to hit 175-180 when all is said and done...

And yes i do regret not doin the Dbols! Well you live and learn...

So what do i need to do to insure i get the next 10 or so lbs i want...anything?


Please share opinions, comments, questions...

Badgermoon
12-11-2002, 10:22 PM
Sounds like you have everything going good, I'd keep on with what you're doing. I'm currently running winny depot to finish my cycle. remember the HCG and clomid.

papapump112
12-12-2002, 12:37 AM
Yes sir i definately have the clomid on hand (300,100,50)...

Im thinking if i keep the calories up for the 4-6 weeks post cycle and run the clo then i should maintain my gains nicely...

After that ill try to get my bf% back below 10 for spring break...

basskiller
12-12-2002, 04:16 AM
hit those forearms but good.. you can't imagine how much bigger they make your entire arms look....

Nice work BTW

LA
12-12-2002, 02:12 PM
So what do i need to do to insure i get the next 10 or so lbs i want...anything?
EAT! It's going to get tiring soon, but resist the temptation to skip a meal here and there.

Good Luck!

papapump112
12-17-2002, 10:43 PM
Today i ended week 7 and weighed in again...

Im up 3 lbs off last mondays weight, total 21lbs gained in 7 weeks...Thats 171 lbs bone dry this morning vs 150 when i strated...

My bf% is up and my abs are slowly dissapearing but im sure i can get them back once all is said and done with a few minor diet alterations and some cardio...

As for right now, protein is my priority...I eat just about anything really but protein is what i focus on...I need to work on getting more complex carbs and mono fats though...

Also back-ne is increasing a little, family has taken notice around the house...I just say its the sugar in the creatine and all the fats in my diet...I even used squats as an excuse...haha

Well i guess thats the update thus far...

BTW i have the clomid ready and plan to keep diet the way it is through therapy to insure gain maintainance, but what else? I cant stand to loose these hard earned gains bros...

How do you guys like to come off to hold gains?

BTW i increased my nolva to 20 mg/ed instead of ten b/c i felt something a little concerning under my left nipple, so better safe than sorry right?

Badgermoon
12-17-2002, 11:01 PM
I'm hoping that finishing off with winny will help me keep my gains. I'll be done with it in about 3 weeks. I'll let you know how it goes in a month or so.

rippedchef
12-18-2002, 08:18 AM
eat more-train less-clomid,clen,maca,liquidex

papapump112
12-25-2002, 09:22 PM
Ok week 8 was off...

Gained only 1 lb (22 total)

Increased nolva to 20 mg/ed as opposed to 10 b/c of some weird gyno synptoms i thought i was experiencing...

Diet was on point most of the week...

Trained harder then usual too...

Im hopin this isnt my peak on this cycle w/4 weeks left...

Rest was off b/c of final exams too...

Well ill try and maintain my dedication, diet, training intensity, rest and hopefully i can write last week off as a fluke...

What do you guys make of this? Do you have bad weeks at the peak of your cycle? Im sure everyone does...

Ill bounce back and hit 25lbs on this one...I know it...

Skarn
12-25-2002, 10:08 PM
Great job so far on your cycle. 22lbs in 8 weeks is pretty nice. I hear ya though when you have an off week. I seemed to stop gaining after week 4 of my last cycle, but was a total of 26lbs and I had added T3 in so figured that stopped gains. But I dropped my BF greatly and don't think I lost much muscle.

Just keep up the dedication to diet and training and you should get to 225 no prob with 2 weeks left. I'd raise your calories and protein though to spur on some new growth.

Good luck.

Skarn
12-25-2002, 10:11 PM
Oh yeah, and I've hear a lot of people that swear nolva can hinder gains also so you might have slowed down from that, but you don't want to stop the nolva if you are having signs of gyno so drive on you'll hit your goal!

viper10139
12-26-2002, 12:54 PM
keep on pounding those weights in the gym bro....I wouldn't change a thing..sounds like u are doing very well...

papapump112
01-01-2003, 05:44 PM
Ok bros heres the situation...

I gained no weight last week so im still at 22lbs gained overall

I dont know what to make of this other than maybe say my diet has been slipping. The holidays make it a little tougher to eat like I know i should so its possible that may have alot to do with it. I continue to get stronger at the gym, pushing around weights i never imagined I would be able to so i know im training well. And now that finals are over im getting tons of rest.

Im gonna try to be on point with my diet this week and see if i can start gaining well again.

Im also cutting the nolva back to 10mg/ed as opposed to the 20mg I have been runnning for the last 2 weeks.

I also decided to run cyclo Zmass for the last 4 weeks of the cycle just to see if would do anything. Any experiences? Its cheap and supposedly very effective testosterone supporter?

Im running B5 too at 4g/ed b/c my back-ne was getting worse...Its been almost a week and im seeing a slight improvement.

What do you guys think?

insulinAL
01-01-2003, 05:59 PM
sounds pretty solid bro...i dunno about that Zmass thing though, i tried that stuff too....it's junk is ya ask me... i woulda been better off with a placebo... oh well, excellent post bro!

papapump112
01-28-2003, 10:25 AM
Ran the Deca through Wk 11 and the Test through Wk 12...

Dropped the Nolva back to 10 mg/ed for Wk 10-12 b/c gains had stopped and symptoms didnt worsen, gains quickly picked back up despite an off point diet...

Came off with 25 lbs gained and less than 2% bf increase...

New plan is to try and lean up for spring break...Lookin to hold as much muscle weight as possible but drop to 8% by mid March...

Clomid starts Thurs @ 300(1),100(10),50(10) mg/ed...And Ill try to keep cals up but lean with an emphsis on protein through therapy and then maybe run ECA for 2 weeks before break...

Advice, opinions, and questions welcome on how to maintain these gains, lean up, diet or training changes???

Harvey Balboner
01-28-2003, 12:55 PM
Be sure to read the "Holding Onto Gains Post Cycle" in the Articles Of Interest forum.

Good job on the 25!

papapump112
02-06-2003, 04:02 PM
Ok brothas, im about 1 week into my clomid and i figured i had news worth sharing...

The gyno i had attempted to combat in the middle of my cycle by upping the nolva dosages is actually fading...

Im doin the normal clomid therapy but also running the nolva @ 20mg/ed and my nipples are no longer super sensative to the touch or puffy really...Hopefully in 2 weeks ill cut out both the nolva/clomid, hold onto my 25 lbs, and start leaning up for spring break...

Choke03
02-06-2003, 04:37 PM
good job, sounds like a success story.

djcee
10-05-2004, 04:12 PM
papa did you mix the test & Deca in on shot? I am planning on running the same cycle next month. I am thinking about adding Dbold

Flexmaster
10-05-2004, 06:27 PM
djcee, yes you can mix both into one shot. if you have any specific questions feel free to start your own thread, we'll help ya out.