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hardscience
12-13-2002, 02:53 PM
Does anyone have any hard info on HGH results in relation to a persons age??

I'm 28, and have built a pretty good foundation as far as muscularity goes, but I'm getting differing opinions on what age a person should start gh and slin.

I'm looking more for actual experiences or scientific data than just opinions.

If you want to know more about my stats and goals - Please see the thread titled "Cutting cycle and HGH".

hardscience
12-13-2002, 07:03 PM
Thanks Press

Not trying to be arogant, just looking for real world experiences. I want to try gh but I get some people telling me that they "hear" that I'm to young. If this is so then I would just like to know what this info is based on.

Thanks again
HS

hardscience
12-13-2002, 07:06 PM
You know what......

I might just order the shit anyway, then I'll be able to answer these questions. I know it won't hurt me, just usure how much benifit I'll get. Need more homework on slin though.

jaywooly
12-13-2002, 07:21 PM
I "heard" that you're too young, lol. Sorry bro, never touched the stuff.

hostile
12-13-2002, 07:26 PM
Bro, I think they are telling you that you are too young because when you are "young", your body makes more GH on it's own.

The theory is based on the fact that your GH falls below "x amount" at around "y age). And that is when it is reasonable to supplement.

There are articles that state approximate levels at certain ages, but I am too lazy to go look for them. I promise you they are around though, because I have read them.

I think they talk about percentages. Like this: your body makes x percent less gh at age 35 than it did at 25 etc......

mbstrong
12-13-2002, 07:31 PM
I've been doing some homework on this to. I'm younger then you and a lot of people say not to take it when your young. I think there all wrong. Unless you can show me some facts but your GH in your body starts fading away when your about 18. Gh is going to help growth in organs and a lot of other things. So why is it going to be bad for somebody that is, say 21 or higher? It's not like your body will just stop producing it because you started taking it. It will actually make you look healthier. I'm trying to find some good information to back me though but I don't see anything wrong with it as long as your not on it for a long period of time. If your on it for a cycle say 10 weeks think it's fine.

notacow
12-13-2002, 07:56 PM
If you're old enough to have that much money.........

LA
12-17-2002, 02:01 PM
Ok, I'm one of the guys who said not to take it. For the record- I didn't say not to take it because it would be bad for you or that you wouldn't see any results. It's a matter of economics. GH is expensive and due to it's price IMO it should be one of the last bullets used.

I've used GH at 3ius 6x/wk for quite a while with excellant results. I've just turned 44. Meanwhile I have 2 friends both in their early 20s who used 9ius 6x/wk for 3 months (with high androgens) and didn't see any noticable difference in their results (based on previous cycles). Do some searches on different boards and you will see this pattern developing.

BTW, the results I'm calling excellant basically are tightning of the skin, quicker recovery time and faster fat loss. These 3 things come naturally to someone less than 35 years of age. I don't get big muscles from GH. GH helps people who have already reached their natural and AS limit of growth. Even then slin is more effective. Take a look at professional BBers throughout time. The Arnold era was only about AS. Add GH you get Haney sized (still not that much bigger). Now add slin and huge beasts like Dorian and Ronnie appear.

Again I'll state my opinion. Unless you resemble something from the jurasic period or are older than 35, GH is not worth the price when you can spend that money on other things that will work much better for you at a fraction of the cost.

ken69dahl
12-17-2002, 02:48 PM
I have used GH at the age of 25 and loved it, now 34 and looking to start it again with this next cut cycle.

custombikes
12-18-2002, 10:09 AM
im 31 and have used it as much as 9iu 5 days a week ( that was about 3 or 4 years ago) and can't tell no damn difference than just doing a normal cycle, very disappointed, but when i look back at pictures of me 3 or 4 years ago, i was in the best shape of my life, so now i'm reconcedering using it again. my opinion is everybody's different, what works for me, may not for you, and vice versa. the best thing to do is take the plunge and try it. my o2 cents. good luck.

Good_Guy
12-18-2002, 10:46 AM
Some info here might interest you: I found it at http://www.hgh.gs/age.html

The following table displays the normal level of hgh in the body measured in nanograms/milliliter of blood. As you can see, there is a dramatic difference between that of an 18 year old and anyone older than 30 (1000 vs.325). Is it then a wonder why we start going downhill in our 30's when our hgh level has radically decreased?

AGE Normal HGH Level
18 1000
20 775
25 500
30 375
35 325
40 300
85 225

goldenear
12-18-2002, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by mbstrong
Gh is going to help growth in organs and a lot of other things. So why is it going to be bad for somebody that is, say 21 or higher? It's not like your body will just stop producing it because you started taking it.

Ironically, you've answered your own question with the statement above. The pituitary gland (using hgh as a vehicle) is the primary regulator of overall growth in our bodies. If your pituitary gland is overactive (i.e., it releases too much hgh), you'll experience acromegaly and a host of other complications. If your pituitary is underactive (i.e., it releases too little hgh), you'll experience stunted growth and underdevelopment. *This is a very simplistic view of pituitary actions. Actually, one's entire endocrine system is delicately coordinated to accomplish its mission yet maintain a degree of homeostasis.*

The question really should be, "What is my optimal level of hgh (as represented by somatomedin C blood levels) that is sustainable without creating unwanted side effects." This level will be totally different from individual to individual because of often dramatic differences in metabolisms between people. It's really difficult to answer this question by quantifying a dosage for a number of reasons. Here's why...

Individual response to the medication will vary tremendously. Unlike some medications (e.g., antibiotics) which employ a very generic dosing scheme, reaction to GH can be radically different between individuals. I experienced this firsthand. Last year, I OD'd on just 2.4 IU's daily after only 8-10 days of administering. My Pharmacia Upjohn Genotropin was prescribed to me by a qualified U.S. physician and was shipped directly from a domestic pharmacy. The authenticity of the product was guaranteed. After a bunch of research, I figured out what was happening to me (hyperthyroidism), obtained the proper medical treatment (Albuterol inhaler & cessation of GH), and my vitals returned to baseline within 12 hours. A couple of friends of mine relieved me of my excessive supply (since it was distributed in fixed dosages) and proceeded to use the medication problem-free.

Who really knows what a "safe" level really constitutes. Acromegaly is a real medical condition and excessive levels of hgh are the primary cause. However, the level of pituitary activity that would create acromegaly problems in one person might not in another. It is my opinion that the only safe way to approach GH is to attempt to restore somatomedin levels to post-maturity levels. I was kind of a late bloomer...I'm sure I grew at least another inch or two in height during my college years. Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that my body had fully matured by the time I was 23-24 years of age. My epiphyseal plates had sealed and my organs had probably attained "fully developed" status. It's no wonder that once an adult reaches 30-40 years of age, his hgh levels are quite similar to those found in elderly individuals. Everything has finished growing and hgh is no longer needed to the degree of that found in adolescents and children. I am absolutely convinced that if anyone increases their somatomedin levels (through exogenous GH administration) to adolescent or pre-adolescent levels, they will begin to experience side effects such as renewed organ growth, adverse bone growth, etc. This is a life threatening side effect. Anyone doubting the gravity of this condition only needs to remember the untimely death of Andre the giant.

There is no direct correlation between mg's of GH injected and the corresponding increase in somatomedin (IGF-1) levels. This means there is no mathematical means to derive a "safe" increase in somatomedin through exogenous GH administration. This rule is firmly rooted in the highly individualistic metabolism found in each of us. Some will metabolize the medication with great affinity, while others will have to inject a higher concentration to achieve the same effect. The ONLY way to safely derive a dosing schedule to achieve a desired increase in somatomedin is to monitor the reaction of exogenous GH by periodic blood tests. Since the half-life of subq injected GH is only 3 hours, somatomedin increases are realized rather quickly. This enables the patient and practitioner to evaluate reactions to various doses over a short period of time, but it also necessitates the increased frequency of blood tests to reach accurate conclusions. If you do this step yourself without medical support, you'll never really know your optimal dosage strategy.

Regarding the comments about taking 9-12 IU's daily of rDNA GH, I find it extremely unlikely that anyone could get away with that dosage for any length of time after my experience. There are only 2 ways to know whether you've got a legitimate product...(1) buy it from a U.S. pharmacy or (2) send your kit to a chemical lab for a composition analysis. There are so many fakes in circulation that legitimate pharmaceutical companies have actually issued warning statements. There is so much money to be made by circulating fake GH because of the true cost of manufacturing the real product. I've already posted on several boards about the socialistic programs that many pharmaceutical companies have established to help subsidize the expense of the medication to those whose treatment truly is medically necessary. Consequently, the price per IU of domestic GH is still around $17. And I don't expect that to come down significantly any time soon, regardless of whether the medication is "off patent" or not.

hardscience
12-18-2002, 09:12 PM
Well Goldenear,

That's by far the most "backed up" opinion I've seen so far.

The remark about fakes scares me quite a bit.

Thanks for the replies peeps.

Keep them comming.