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mailboxkillR
12-17-2002, 08:29 PM
Going for a bulker straight into a cutter 20+ weeks needs some help and opinions. Here's what I'm planning

bulk
test cyp 600mgs week weeks 1-10
EQ 400mgs week weeks 1-10
d-bol 50mgs ed weeks 1-4
androl 100mgs ed weeks 6-10
l-dex .50 ed straight through
ala 4g's ed weeks 1-10
t-3 .30 ed weeks 1-8

this is the part that I'm having trouble with. I know that there is a way of running HGC and nolvadex so your not soo shut down for so long. I saw it in another cycle that someone posted I just don't remember the amounts and weeks.

cutter after nolvadex HCG
test suspension or prop 700mgs week 1-10
tren 700mgs week 1-10
t-3 ramp up to .75 then back down for 6 weeks
winny inject 50mgs ed week 6-10
eca/clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
ala 3.5g's ed

stats 6.0 185lbs 8% bf hard gainer
this will be my 3rd cycle

all input and advise is greatly apreciated looking to start in the very near future.

BStrongBwell*
12-17-2002, 09:29 PM
looks good except you have dbol, then anadrol, then winny, all in 20 weeks. That's really putting it to your liver. If you feel strongly about it, at least cut back to the dbol or anadrol up front, then a break, and finish with the winny. Outside of that it looks good man! Just keep the diet and rest in mind all the way through and you'll see some really nice transformations in your body. Make sure you get B4 and after photos!

JettLagged
12-17-2002, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by BStrongBwell*
Make sure you get B4 and after photos!

yeh Mail. Make sure you do.

How about cutting out the D-bol all together?

mailboxkillR
12-18-2002, 12:14 AM
Ok how about this what if I run hcg at weeks 4 8 12 16 at 500iu's ed for 7 days the reason is because of when I start this cycle beginning of feb I want to end as close to summer as possible which this will take me to end of june beginning of july large and all cut up hopefully. Jett we can drop the d-bol and run a-bombs at 6 weeks instead make sure you remember to get the camera rolling there smaller twin bro.

johnnyboy845
12-18-2002, 02:10 AM
Looks like I know where your spending all that overtime money...
I am running 50mg D-bol right now.. Loffler.. and I am getting cramps/charliehorses so bad.. had them in the lats last night and for the first time in my life got them in my abs while doing bent over flys for rear delts.. felt like my abs were twisting.. think I might step back down to 37.5mg and am running 500mg EQ and 750mg durateston(sust) strength is up and I am pumped.. cant wait until I drop the d-bol and add the Fina :) Good luck mailbox.

DecaDent*
12-18-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by mailboxkillR
Ok how about this what if I run hcg at weeks 4 8 12 16 at 500iu's ed for 7 days

Sounds good to me MBKR

I think BSBW made a good point about the liver.

Competitor
12-19-2002, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by mailboxkillR
Going for a bulker straight into a cutter 20+ weeks needs some help and opinions. Here's what I'm planning

bulk
test cyp 600mgs week weeks 1-10
EQ 400mgs week weeks 1-10
d-bol 50mgs ed weeks 1-4
androl 100mgs ed weeks 6-10
l-dex .50 ed straight through
ala 4g's ed weeks 1-10
t-3 .30 ed weeks 1-8

this is the part that I'm having trouble with. I know that there is a way of running HGC and nolvadex so your not soo shut down for so long. I saw it in another cycle that someone posted I just don't remember the amounts and weeks.

cutter after nolvadex HCG
test suspension or prop 700mgs week 1-10
tren 700mgs week 1-10
t-3 ramp up to .75 then back down for 6 weeks
winny inject 50mgs ed week 6-10
eca/clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
ala 3.5g's ed

stats 6.0 185lbs 8% bf hard gainer
this will be my 3rd cycle

all input and advise is greatly apreciated looking to start in the very near future.

Ummm... Look.... I am new to this board so I don't want to sound disrespectful in any way but at 6 feet 185 lbs., and this is your third cycle, you are either most certainly a classic hardgainer or your nutrition isn't in line. I am hoping (and betting) that your nutrition is not in line.
If you wouldn't mind, I would be happy to take a look at your diet for you. I am not saying that you, or anyone else here, couldn't do this but I am just offering to help out.
If you don't, that is your business and I respect that. I just feel very strongly that if you are going to do that much gear for a third cycle at those stats, you will want your diet to be working with you instead of against you.

Just an honest offer to help.
Let me know.
Skip

deltachistud
12-19-2002, 03:07 PM
killer cycle!

leanandmean
12-19-2002, 03:15 PM
20+weeks? You are one brave mofo!!

mailboxkillR
12-19-2002, 09:36 PM
skip I apreciate the offer I already know my diet is not the best but my life style also has me on the go 24/7. I am going to make a commitment to improve in this area I know what to eat just seems like I never can get the time this time I'm gonna have me one huge lunch box loaded with tuna chicken beef ect. I'm glad you bro's like the cycle.
Deca and BSBW I'm gonna just do a-bombs for 6 weeks and lighten the load on the liver. Milkthistle also 1g ed

mcinfo
12-19-2002, 11:03 PM
10 day of HCG at 1000 per day
Thats what the Doc gave me a script fo anyway

mailboxkillR
12-28-2002, 12:03 AM
thanks bro's looks good to go just have to wait for the time now. Anyone else wanna chime in

Badgermoon
12-28-2002, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by mailboxkillR
thanks bro's looks good to go just have to wait for the time now. Anyone else wanna chime in

yeah... how come you're not out plowing snow? :D
Good to see you MBKiller.
Looks like a serious cycle there. If you are doing that much time on you might want to consider going light on the orals, don't want to see you hurt yourself. Especially with the plowing season, going to be hard to rest enough sometimes. Have you thought of running teslac to keep from shutting down as bad? It won't prevent it alltogether but it helps. great estrogen preventer too.

Good luck Brother, and have a safe winter.

bigshug
12-28-2002, 02:10 AM
I second that one, good luck to you! Against some of the better advice of some of the guys on this board, I too will run anadrol with my next cycle. There's one guy in my gym who's on that shit, and in addition to packing on size from day to day it seems, he somehow manages to stay really lean (except in his face, it gets pretty puffy and his skin takes on a lovely "Oh my God look at that sunburn" glow). Keep us posted, I'm looking to start my next cycle in the next few weeks if finances fall in line

Armageddon
12-28-2002, 03:44 AM
www.synthetek.com makes a good liver protectant that you may want to look into. That is also alot of gear, especially for a third. I'm a believer that less is best. But to each there own. Make sure the diet is on, cause that is were its at. Good luck.

mailboxkillR
12-29-2002, 02:09 PM
badger gonna have to research teslac more don't know anything about it. I'm gonna drop the d-bol in the first half and just run a bombs 1-4 then in the second half might drop the winny and go with primo instead but I'm not sure on that 1 cause the fina winny combo is kick ass. Might actually see the sun today to bad I'll probally be passed out ROFLMMFAO.
armageddon thanks for the site gonna check it out gotta watch that liver for sure thank god I'm not a drinker I'd be putting a hurting on it then.

wasted
12-29-2002, 06:42 PM
hers my comment for what its worth ..if your going to do that flip the anadrol around with the dbol ..use the dbol as a taper..but i completly agree with Skip

Badgermoon
12-29-2002, 08:42 PM
Consider using Wynstrol depot instead of oral. I did just because it is a little easier on the liver.
There is some info on the drug profile page on Teslac. I have heard from a couple places that it can eventually shut down the body's ability to convert test to estrogen, or at the very least it will severly curtail it in the future. That's without taking any more of it. Even if it doesn't, it worked really well for me. Instead of blocking receptors, it prevents aromatization into estrogen in the first place, so there's nothing to block.

Good luck with the cycle and work.

stumpy
12-30-2002, 02:10 AM
pretty mean cycle but be cautious of the dosage on the orals due the the potential adverse reactions. the durations are logical but since you are using plenty of test why not cut down the dosage of anadrol. also, imo, i would favor using stronger anabolics towards the end of the cycle rather than androgens. doing so would help you maintain more gains. id use the test throughout and use the anadrol in the beginning then dbol and possibly finish with a light anabolic such as winnie or anavar

madchemist36
12-30-2002, 03:39 PM
fuckin insane cycle. damn that is a lot of shit but u know what u are doing.

mailboxkillR
01-01-2003, 01:12 PM
thanks bro's for all the input just a little bit longer and some more reasearch and it's good to go ohhhh and power up the digital camera.

jake steed
01-01-2003, 01:33 PM
Wow that should get you jacked!

Badgermoon
01-01-2003, 02:56 PM
You're boss will save a lot of money at least. You won't need a plow truck anymore... just a shovel and some clear highway.
Good luck Bro, keep us posted on your results!

mailboxkillR
01-02-2003, 10:49 PM
LMAO@ badger them snow flakes will be afraid to fall around here next winter. My shoulders should sheild the whole town. lol

mcinfo
01-02-2003, 11:16 PM
Your spending a good amount of money now so – consider running some HGH during your cutting cycle.
What else are you going to spend that overtime money on?

mailboxkillR
01-02-2003, 11:26 PM
CCapel check the final draft post was considering running hcg at 500 for weeks 4,8,12,16maybe 20 also