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twista
01-04-2003, 05:40 PM
Whats up bro's. This is my first post on this board but I was a member on FB for awhile so I know a little bit, but need some help with my second cycle. My first cycle was test enathete at 500-600mg/wk and eq @ 400 mgswk. I saw great gains. For my second cycle I was thinking of this:
test enathete 500mg/wk 1-10
eq 500mg/wk1-12
dbol 25mg ed/ wk 1-4
winny 50mg eod/wk 7-12
clomid 14 days after last test shot
and I was thinking about nolvadex? do you think I need it or no?
Any help is really appreciated!
twista

mailboxkillR
01-04-2003, 05:52 PM
here's what I see
1. you need to end test and eq at same time for clomid.
2. d-bol isin't bad but you may want to up it to 37.
3. This is just me but I am not a big fan of using same aas back to back cycles
4. you should always have nolva on hand just in case of gyno. It's a little insurance package.

mailboxkillR
01-04-2003, 05:53 PM
One more thing stats and goals would be very helpful.

twista
01-04-2003, 05:57 PM
Sorry man, my stats are:
age 22
6'0
190
bf around 12-14%
any recommendations so this cycle isn't similar to first?

mailboxkillR
01-04-2003, 06:11 PM
looking to bulk again or cut or even what I call a strength cycle?

wasted
01-04-2003, 06:25 PM
end the test and eq at the same time ...start clomid 17-21 days after last shot of eq ..dbol looks good for a first time user ,dont adjust your not sure how your body will react ...always have nolva on hand incase of symptoms


Mailboxkillr what difference does it make if he uses test and eq in both cycles ???i see no reason why it would matter ..

mailboxkillR
01-04-2003, 06:35 PM
hitting the same receptors twice and tolerences have been established unless he has been off for quite some time (more than the time he was on). If using the same he should increase the dosages of both slightly.
What would you think about this wasted for a second
Test cyp 500wk 1-12
Tren 75 ed 4-12
winny 50 ed 7-12

wasted
01-04-2003, 06:40 PM
i think id use prop instead of cyp with the tren and winny ..
but i have to disagree with your receptor theroy ...the way ur making it sound is we have receptors for cyp and enathante...and i have to disagree with you on upping the dosages every cycle with the same drugs if you use quality gear and have enough time off you can still make excellant gains on the exact same cycle ..the theroy more is better isnt always true

mailboxkillR
01-04-2003, 06:55 PM
I would have said prop also except the ed/eod thing maybe to soon being second cycle it's a big jump( i know well you only have 3 under your belt) It's not that we have different receports just how each aas effects or binds to the receptor. My beleif is if the time off wasn't atleast double the time on there MAY be a tollerence still built up and the dosage increase shuld only be miminual 100-150 mgs. Just my theory but I do apreciate your veiws also.

wasted
01-04-2003, 07:06 PM
not tryin to get into a bitchin match with you here ,but your theorys are just that your theorys ...then is no reason he cant use enanthate in this cycle without upping the dosages and make excellant gains ...if he took time off between cycles what he has posted minus the 12 weeks of eq will be fine ..i see no need to take more than 500mg of test for a second cycle weighing below 200lbs

mailboxkillR
01-04-2003, 07:11 PM
not taking it as a bitching match at all just 2 persons with different opinions stating why they have there opinions every thing is cool I'm always interested on other view points thats the way I learn.

wasted
01-04-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Chemical Evolution


2nd that

curious to why you agree also ????

superman1975
01-04-2003, 08:33 PM
why not try deca this cycle?---just a thought

zap
01-05-2003, 07:28 AM
No anastazole? I wouldn't even smell test with out 1/4 mg. arimi or liqui per day. That's just me though.

Zap

twista
01-05-2003, 09:19 AM
mailbox, wasted, thanks for the advice. I'm open to all opions on this and appreciate your input. I'm gonna research on some things today and will try and post a revised cycle later on. Thanks again
twista

mailboxkillR
01-05-2003, 11:16 AM
it's quite the learning experiance here at mc bro. Sorry about beating up your post. BTW Welcome to mc this is a great place with great bro's no drama like there was at fb twards the end. As you can see by my and wasted's discussion on different veiw points there is no reason for all that crap that went over there just discuss it and learn everybody has a opinion doesn't mean there's is right or wrong.