My I mean my friends cycle...

midwtchamp · Jan 7, 2003

What up guys, I, I mean my friend started his cycle a little over a week ago. It is 75mg dbol ed 1-4 or 6, 750 test (1-10), and 500 mg deca (1-10), and test prop (11-13). On this cycle he is gonna up the protein but stay just a little bit above maintenence calorie levels. The thing is, the strength from the dbol is there and the terrible lower back pumps are there, but no weight/water gain so far. My question is, is he jeopardizing his gains by staying above maintence or should he still see a good 10-15 lbs. from this 2nd cycle. The reason for staying at or just above maintenence is b/c the fat pick up last cycle was a little excessive for him, he got to about 12% which is too fat for him....any ideas or complaints would be welcome!
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Badgermoon · Jan 7, 2003

I've never used d-bol, so I don't know much about it. That being said, a week isn't very long, maybe it is about to kick in? Why don't you... I mean your friend, go ahead and eat a good amount of food, and if you...(sorry, I mean your friend) feel like theres too much fat, just back down the food intake a little. the decca I did at 400mg/wk made me hungry as hell, so I don't know how "someone" could eat at just above maintenence level doing 500mg/wk. just keep a close eye on the body fat and adjust it as you go.... I mean yer friend.

jshoty · Jan 7, 2003

you dont need 75mg of d everyday, thats too much

woody01 · Jan 7, 2003

i agree w/ jshoty 75mg is to much.whats your stats.how many cycles u done.how many times u used d-ball.40mg maybe even 50 is fine.

slappy · Jan 7, 2003

why not start the prop in the begining since it kicks in quick, and finish with the longer acting test?

Harvey Balboner · Jan 7, 2003

That is an ass load of dbol, 35-50mg is plenty.

Are you taking liquidex? That would explain why you are not getting the water weight.

Eat big to get big, if you start putting on too much fat, back down on your calories.

midwtchamp · Jan 8, 2003

IT IS my friend guys...and it is ref-b dbol, so therefore in actuallity he is only taking at most 60 mg ed b/c ref-b is very underdosed anywhere from 16-20 mg per tab. Yes liquidex is being taken at .5mg ed this is a 2nd cycle and on the first cycle he gained 7 lbs of water in the first week lol and I guess it is back to eating like a pig for him then!! Thanks guys and quit giving me shit bout dbol lol I know my stuff guys!

jshoty · Jan 8, 2003

midwtchamp said:
IT IS my friend guys...and it is ref-b dbol, so therefore in actuallity he is only taking at most 60 mg ed b/c ref-b is very underdosed anywhere from 16-20 mg per tab. Yes liquidex is being taken at .5mg ed this is a 2nd cycle and on the first cycle he gained 7 lbs of water in the first week lol and I guess it is back to eating like a pig for him then!! Thanks guys and quit giving me shit bout dbol lol I know my stuff guys!

wasnt giving you shit bro, just friendly advice

Harvey Balboner · Jan 8, 2003

It's probably the liquidex & difference in diet keeping him from having big water gains.

I was just thinking of sparing his liver on the dbol.

TAZ · Jan 8, 2003

I have used ref-B and yes you will need that amount to see the same results you would from 50mg/ed of good Thai's. I think you answered your own question when you said you gained too much fat last cycle. I would focus a bit more on quality foods and not so much on just upping your intake. The rest of the cycle sounds good to me. You should grow like a mofo from those dosages at your current size/stats.
-TAZ

jcp2 · Jan 8, 2003

Harvey Balboner said:
It's probably the liquidex & difference in diet keeping him from having big water gains.

I was just thinking of sparing his liver on the dbol.

Alot of people will not run liquidex or use a small dose when using dbol because they feel it negates a lot of the positives of taking it. I have always agreed, if you want to gain strength and size the water may be a good thing for a short time, just don't let it get out of control, or your blood pressure will go throught the roof.

midwtchamp · Jan 8, 2003

I know you werent giving me shiat Jshoty I was just being a fuggtard....about the liver, cant you get a liver transplant? lol Only gonna run the dbol for 4 weeks I, damnit I mean him, cant put up w/the lower back pumps...speaking of, it is time for my sterile oil injection...later guys!

midwtchamp · Jan 9, 2003

Damnit is that all the love I get?

aten8 · Jan 9, 2003

this is a cycle i just gave to someone who is pretty well know in the bb industry. works really well.
..............deca...test ...prop... d/bol
week 1-2 300 mg 500 mg 200 mg 40mg/d
week 3-4 350 mg 500 mg 300 mg 50mg/d
week 5-6 400 mg 750 mg 300 mg 60mg/d
week 7-8 200 mg 500 mg 200 mg 50mg/d
week 9-10 0 250 mg 0 40mg/d
it would also be wise to add some clomid in there
weeks 7-9 100 mg/d
weeks 10-11 50 mg/d
good luck trust me this cycle kicks ass.

check next thread for d/bol correction sorry.

Badgermoon · Jan 9, 2003

Isn't the d-bol hard on the liver, running it that long?

aten8 · Jan 9, 2003

actually i did make a mistake on that thanks for pointing it out the d/bol should be for 5 weeks i just added a week to each by mistake so........
week 1 40mg/d
week 2 50mg/d
week 3 60mg/d
week 4 50mg/d
week 5 40mg/d

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