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Presser
01-16-2003, 09:57 PM
And how long until you see gains from HGH, and is it essential to use in conjuction with insulin?

Is say 4iu's a day of growth with test, going to yield gains, and how long would it take to see the gains, and how long till you see the fat loss

wich comes first? fatloss or lean mass?

mcinfo
01-16-2003, 10:46 PM
From what I have read – you use slin if you are bulking and using GH.
If you are cutting you shouldn’t use the Slin with GH since Slin will add some fat along with the muscle.
3-4 IU per day slit in half along with test.

superman1975
01-16-2003, 10:49 PM
bump

Presser
01-16-2003, 11:27 PM
I READ 2/3 OF DAILY DOSE SHOULD BE TAKEN AT NIGHT AS WELL

hostile
01-17-2003, 01:17 AM
I have been taking 4.5 iu's of GH ed for three or four months.

The fat loss is by far the most significant thing I have noticed with the GH. And I have noticed that I just plain feel better.

As for lean mass. I have had a very good experience with slin. The slin just blast the nutrients into your muscles. And I have had no problem with fat gain from slin. The reason I have not had any problem with fat from slin could be because of the GH. I don't know because I have never done slin without GH.

I am almost feeling like I like the Slin/GH combo better than AS because the sides are pretty much nonexistant for me and the gains are slow and steady. No gyno, no hairloss, no shrinking balls. Just slow and steady gains.

rooster1
01-17-2003, 01:58 AM
Can I ask a silly question here?What is slin?First I've heard of it.

meth24/7
01-17-2003, 03:44 AM
been using hgh for 1 year now on and off.I can truly say it changes your body and life .4iu's and 500-1000 mg sust is just about right .I started with just hgh 4 a day in 3 months I was jacked the fuck up!You can make a box last 21 days but you need bacterial water which keeps it active or alive for 5.I have used everything and nothing compares .Why do you think Ronnie Colmen could be a Pig for so long ?HGH that's why

Presser
01-17-2003, 12:06 PM
did you use slin as well meth?

and i take it you have been up for a while,lmao

edvedr
01-17-2003, 01:16 PM
you should always run slin with gh, if you don't you over work your pancreas and run the risk of becoming diabetic!!!

BStrongBwell*
01-17-2003, 08:18 PM
slin=insulin

woody01
01-17-2003, 11:50 PM
bump on this subject.the real life experiences are awesome.i also am interested in the chance of diabeties if not taken w/ hgh.
i have been thinking of triing slin,but it just seems to me it has not been tried and tested for the long haul.
the last couple of years i have been hearing of it.thats not long enough in my opinion.i want to use it because i want to,not cause i have to if i become diabetic.anybody else who has experiance with slin/gh...please share your comments.

rooster1
01-18-2003, 02:10 AM
bump.Me interested to.I just can't wait till I'm at the level when I will consider using it.

2damtight
01-18-2003, 03:56 AM
Bro, 1 1/2 iu in the morning and 1 1/2 iu before bed daily will turn you into Zuess. Insulin will turbo charge your shit.

woody01
01-18-2003, 10:52 AM
keepin it bumped! 1.5 iu's of hg or slin

rooster1
01-18-2003, 12:27 PM
bump

hostile
01-18-2003, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by edvedr
you should always run slin with gh, if you don't you over work your pancreas and run the risk of becoming diabetic!!!


Vets please comment on this. Is there any truth to it?

hostile
01-18-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by 2damtight
Bro, 1 1/2 iu in the morning and 1 1/2 iu before bed daily will turn you into Zuess. Insulin will turbo charge your shit.


Will this amount do anything? I have done as much as 15 iu's am and 15 iu's post workout in the same day. That is 30 iu's in a day. I don't see where 1.5 iu's would do much.

And it seems that the slin becomes less and less potent during my 4 week cycles. So, I guess your body becomes used to it or something.

I would sure like to hear from some mods on this.

hardscience
01-18-2003, 12:43 PM
The way I read it...

He is saying 1.5 iu's of gh twice a day then saying the slin will take you even farther.

That's my interpretation(sp).

madchemist36
01-18-2003, 01:08 PM
doing GH is like a dream for me.

DecaDent*
01-18-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by hostile
you should always run slin with gh, if you don't you over work your pancreas and run the risk of becoming diabetic!!!


Vets please comment on this. Is there any truth to it?

Nothing to worry about,you can run HGH alone.

DecaDent*
01-18-2003, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Presser
And how long until you see gains from HGH, and is it essential to use in conjuction with insulin?

Is say 4iu's a day of growth with test, going to yield gains, and how long would it take to see the gains, and how long till you see the fat loss

wich comes first? fatloss or lean mass?

4IU is plenty to see good gains,fat loss for me was very noticable at 4-6 weeks without modifying the diet at all,muscle gains were more about 10 weeks or so until I saw much,but the biggest muscle related change was not losing any of my gains when comming off AAS while staying on HGH.

There is definetly a local fat loss effect to HGH as well. I tested this by injecting only the left side of my abz for 8 weeks,(the were dead even at the start) but there was a 2mm caliper difference between left and right after 8 weeks.
I've never used slin,only HGH and I added and kept 30lbs of muscle this year,in addition to the 20 lbs I added with AAS the year before. I'm acually to the point now where I don't want to get any bigger....and I never thought I'd hear myself say those words....:D

midwtchamp
01-18-2003, 06:11 PM
YOU dont want to get bigger is there something wrong w/you? jk

hostile
01-18-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by DecaDent*


but the biggest muscle related change was not losing any of my gains when comming off AAS while staying on HGH.




That is exactly my experience so far. And I will also say that my strength has actually increased in the 5 or 6 weeks since my last cycle. No crash, no weight loss. It has to be the GH.

flat
01-18-2003, 11:30 PM
This info is from ironmaster and death. The credit goes to them.

this is an article on GH i have been working on, it takes all the advice from the top vets on GH and has been thoroughly checked and also provides citings so u can look at the info and studies urself if u want. this was made to benefit all who are looking into starting GH or need basic info on it. i am not trying to take credit for it since most of the ideas in here are either common knowledge or by MOD or Ironmaster, this is only till ironmaster can get a book out with all his info on it. If anyone has anything ot add to it please do so, its only to help out hte iron brotherhood, enjoy, and merry xmas
Growth Hormone

Rating: (1 being the lowest, 5 being the highest)
Strength-4
Weight Gain-4
Fat Loss-4
Side Effects-2
Keep Gains--4

Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Aromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a potent fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

Where to Inject, How, and How to Make:
You can site inject anywhere you can reach the subcutaneous layer. Pinch the flesh and pull back, then insert the needle in the "pocket" underneath. Doesn't absorb quick enough if you inject into the adipose tissue. Do not inject intra-muscular, though it can be done, it is not recommended. GH is a site injection, where it is shot is where it will burn the most noticeable fat. Most people do it in the stomach since that is a typical sub q shot with most of the fat being in that area. GH should be kept in a fridge; freezing will destroy the GH. On your kit it probably says to use the kit in 18-24 hours, remember these are for AIDS patients, not bodybuilders or athletes. Mixing the GH can either be done with sterile water or bacteriostic water. The kit with water will be fine for 3 days in the fridge, even with the sterile water, but you should not take this chance, rather you should use bacteriostic water and play it safe. This will keep it fine for a couple of weeks. When mixing the GH, let the water slide down the side as to not pulverize the GH wafer. Do not spray it directly against the wafer with any force. Before reconstitution and even after GH is fragile!!! Also once the water is injected into the bottle gently swirl the vial to reconstitute, do not shake or swirl violently!!!!

Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc -/+
100 units per 1 cc

6 mg = 18iu

1 ml = 18iu

.50 ml = 9iu

.25 ml = 4.5iu

Some people choose to only do it in cc’s but here is how you can do it in units on a slin dart

5.5 = 1iu, so 2iu = 11 on a slin dart

Differences Between Kits:
The main difference between kits is how many iu’s they make when reconstituted. For example, Serostim re-constitutes to make 126iu, while a Saizen kit.... also made by Serono.... makes up 15iu. Another of their kits makes 54iu. It better be way cheaper than a Serostim kit! Humatrope is fine, but costs too much. The other main concern would be fakes; Lilly is the most often faked one. Some older GH kits do not have holograms on them and are legit, but they are usually only less than 100 dollars than new GH kits with holograms, and I would rather be assured of the hologram and legitimacy of the kit. Best buy currently is Serostim 126 iu kits. These are made for people with wasting diseases like AIDs. Many of these patients got infected because they are IV drug addicts..........they sell the Serostim on the street for drug money.


Dose:

4 to 6 iu ed is sufficient. Most people take it 5 days on 2 days off at their designated dosage. There is no reason or evidence why you cannot stay on for various lengths of time; there is no need to go 5 on 2 off other than cost. Considering that our natural production is only .5 to 1.5iu a day, this is still a huge bump for the body. Research has shown that the body's natural defense systems render mega doses of GH ineffective, anyway. GH does not cause gains in mass...it allows you to put on a great deal of lean mass in combination with proper steroid and insulin use. The user before taking must know this. One or two kits are not enough, you need at least 3 to make you happy, GH takes a while to make its effects, but remember they are long lasting, what you see is what you keep. It takes 6 to 8 weeks to notice a dramatic change in body comp using GH on an ED or 5/2 split. Lighter doses for long periods of time are better than large doses for short cycles. Like any other drug, the more you take the more the benefits, but likewise also more risks. 4-6 iu is a standard dose but many people take more, the most repulsing side effects happen at or beyond 12 iu a day but like anything else it depends on your predisposition for it.


How to Stack:
GH is best taken in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, as anyone here who has tried it will testify. This is because GH injections cause a down regulation of insulin sensitivity in the body.
GH alone causes little growth of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results can be down right remarkable...esp. in the older bodybuilder. Start light with the humulin...5iu...and work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation. If you are scared to take insulin thought, then Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH is good for cutting if used alone. Glucophage allows for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you want. The half-life of GH is only 2 hours so spread it out. Avoid bedtime injections since we produce the bulk of our own GH in the first two hours of sleep. Since exogenous GH suppresses this, you should not take it before bed. For best results, use a 17aa oral during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural insulin growth factors. I would run the test throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic combination.
It is also wise to preload with testosterone before starting GH if you are going to do it. You should preload with the amount of time it takes for that testosterone to kick in, since most of us take longer acting esters for testosterone you should usually start taking the test 2 weeks before GH use. Likewise, you can accommodate it to fit your needs; the key is for the test to be kicking in the same time you are starting to run your GH. You can cycle you steroids however you want to depending on your goals, if you are going for a more massive look than you would run insulin for most of the cycle and use high androgens, but if you are looking for additional leanness at the end of a cycle you should stop the androgens and run a higher dose of GH or run less androgens. T3 is also another substance that should be used during GH cycling since GH lowers thyroid hormones. T3 should be used for shorter periods though, because it can permanently alter the endocrine system. The magic of GH for men is the ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when stacked properly with insulin, and steroids. GH also makes for amazing improvements in skin...smoothes wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue, gives that paper-thin contest look...and also gives one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being.

Major Difference Between GH and Steroids:
Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.

Half-Life of GH:
Exogenous (injected) GH has a "half-life" of approximately 2 hours . . . a 4-hour period of activity during which there is a suppression of naturally produced GH.

GH Naturally Produced:
We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep...you may take a little time to adjust.... your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. It is good to take a nap, that’s when you grow anyway. It always helps to take naps after workouts and injections everyday.

GH Causing Acromeglia:
Acromeglia is a disease...you either have it or you don't. Supplementing GH will not cause it. Persons suffering from acromeglia, like Andre the Giant, lack the natural defense mechanisms of the body to regulate the production and effects of GH secretion in he pituitary. It is well established in the medical literature that exogenous GH will not cause the disease.... of course it would worsen the condition in those who had it.

GH Gut: Myth or Reality?:

Some researchers claim that any gains in weight experienced by subjects using GH alone was due to growth of internal organs and connective tissue, which could cause some problems. Most studies do not agree with this theory and consider "GH gut" to be a myth. Some people are allergic to synthetic test, this is something you have to find out for yourself. Some people also feel intestinal discomfort from time to time, if so take it down to one item at a time to see what is causing you discomfort; creatine, glutamine, protein products, orals, and dirty gear have all been known to cause this, so find the problem early.

GH and IGF-1:
Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis.

GH and IGF-1 are negative regulators of GH release so an increase in either (from a GH injection) reduces the secretion of GH. IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain in a useable condition.... it must be handled very gently and have bee kept at a rather precise temperature at all times. One can stimulate IGF production through the use of an oral steroid during cycle. Dbol, for example, causes a rather extensive release of IGF during the first pass through the liver.

The leading studies in this area: (Ney, 1999, Yarasheski, 1994.... Am J. App. Phys.)
In the Yarasheski study, no increase in lean muscle mass was noticed in the subjects using GH alone, but significant gains were found in subjects that supplemented with IGF and GH...add in the steroids and look out! Yarasheski studied weight trained athletes, supplementing one group with GH alone, and one group with GH and IGF. "So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. (Leanness and increased lean mass) Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis." Both seem to negatively downregulate the other over time, so as to lead to diminishing returns. Cycling would be in order for that reason. Also supplementing both is necessary because one or the other alone will suppress the natural production of the non-supplemented Latest study by Yarashevski - with GH alone...8 to 12% change in lean body composition. 6% increase in muscle mass.

winnie
01-19-2003, 12:06 AM
Some great info flat.

Z-monster
01-19-2003, 02:50 PM
Here is my experience, hey and the cookies thing worked. I reposted so you could see the pic.

I've done three cycles of GH lasting from 2-4 months. The first time
I did it I used 8iu for 3 months. My stats before starting that
cycle were I was 195, 5'11" and about 11-12 percent bodyfat.
Since I was going to do gh on a bulking cycle I used a modest amount of androgens 1g of sust, 600mg EQ,(each per week) and 100mg of a-50 per day for the first four weeks. I've posted a picture that was taken six weeks into the cycle. I was probably about 210 and maybe 8% bf without any resemblance of diet.Keep in mind I was eating everything in sight so not clean at all. I did slin for a few days but didn't like the way I felt on it so I stopped. Anyway when everything was said and done on the scale I got up to about 218. But my bodyfat got down to about 7%. So 23lbs of scale weight plus another 8lbs of lbm and you get a 31lb cycle. It was my first time stacking androgens(more then one) and my first time on gh, I generally do a small bulk and larger/longer cutting cycle each year.

So to answer your question, I visably noticed the fat loss
first it is easier to measure because your pants start to get lose.
The size is harder to track until you view your stats afterwards take the GH out and there wasn't anyway I was gaining 31lbs, that was my 4th cycle I think not counting some screwing around with a little primo and 25mg of A-50 in college I'm 30.

So what comes first the chicken or the egg. They both come but weight loss is more noticable.

since then I've only used 4IU per day split am/pm for cutting cycles. Last summer did 1g prop, 500mg Winstrol, 75mg tren EOD, 25mg anavar, 100mcg t3 and 2 superclen per day and got down to about 6% bf and was really hard and really liked the way I looked. Also I got really bad pins and needles and cramps from 8IU and didn't see those sides on 4IU. If your serious about bulking give 8IU a try but I don't want to ever get over 220ish so 4IU is plenty to get the reaction for me.

Z-monster

DecaDent*
01-19-2003, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by midwtchamp
YOU dont want to get bigger is there something wrong w/you? jk

:D No joke midwtchamp,and I'm surprized as anyone to hear myself saying those words but I've maxed out my frame IMO. My lean genetic potential w/o AAS was around 187-192#. I'm 5'10 and a lean 230# right now and I'm not going to try and go bigger. I get a little more short of breath already when I try and do sports than I'd like and not as quick as I am at lower bodyweight. XXL clothes are hard enough to find but I'm pushing XXXL and don't want to have to spend money on another round of new clothes so I'm going to lean up even more and hopefully finish up and maintain around 215-218. That seems to be where I get peak preformance. And again I never thought I's be saying this but I'm big enough.:D

rooster1
01-20-2003, 12:29 AM
This almost seems like it would make a nice forum.I would just love to hear more testimonies and info.This is a very interesting subject.

Badgermoon
01-20-2003, 03:48 AM
yeah, bump this

caladin
01-20-2003, 01:50 PM
bump

rooster1
01-20-2003, 08:40 PM
Any slin users out there?Is the 7-10 iu in the a.m. and then the p.m. sound right?Do you take it mixed w/ the GH?I am guessing slin is subq also.

PhatBoy
01-20-2003, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by rooster1
This almost seems like it would make a nice forum.I would just love to hear more testimonies and info.This is a very interesting subject.

Bump

thundercat
01-20-2003, 09:04 PM
Dont mix the slin and GH together these need to be taken a couple of hrs apart so I was told.

woody01
01-20-2003, 10:34 PM
bump

hostile
01-20-2003, 11:11 PM
This is a typical day using slin and GH for me:

8am 15iu's humalog insulin. Carb/protein drink and breakfast immediately after shot.

8:30am 4.5 iu's GH

9am shake w carbs and protein

10am shake or bar

I just try to eat as much as I can and as clean as possible everyday/all day. I kinda count my calories sometimes but not usually.


4-5pm workout

5pm 15 iu's humalog insulin with carb/protein shake.

6pm shake

7pm meal or shake.

This is kinda basically how I do it. The times vary everyday but this is close. I kinda try to avoid fat while the slin is active but not really. I have not had much of a problem with fat from slin.

I read a post in the faq forum at fitnessboard that gearedup wrote about GH and he said that it did not really matter what time of day it was taken. I believe that it may matter a little but it's not worth the braindamage to do it perfect.

Now with the slin on the other hand, you must be very careful and do your research to know how many carbs you need after shot and the signs of going hypo.

rooster1
01-21-2003, 01:07 AM
Hostile,how many carbs do you take after slin?Does it depend on body weight or dosage of slin?

rooster1
01-21-2003, 02:01 AM
from Mesomorph board.:D

This description was taken directly from Brian Raupp's Anabolix Research page since this drug is so dangerous and his description is by far the most comprehensive that I have found on the internet. Insulin is a hormone produced in the pancreas which helps to regulate glucose levels in the body. Medically, it is typically used in the treatment of diabetes. Recently, insulin has become quite popular among bodybuilders due to the anabolic effect it can offer. With well-timed injections, insulin will help to bring glycogen and other nutrients to the muscles.


In America, regular human insulin is available without a prescription by the name of Humulin R by Eli Lilly and Company. It costs about $20 for a 10 ml vial with a strength of 100 IU per ml. Eli Lilly and Company also produces 5 other insulin formulations, but none of these should be used by bodybuilders. Humulin R is the safest because it takes effect quickly and has the shortest duration of activity. The other insulin formulations remain active for a longer time period and can put the user in an unexpected state of hypoglycemia.

Hypoglycemia occurs when blood glucose levels are too low. It is a commonand potentially fatal reaction experienced by insulin users. Before an athlete begins taking insulin, it is critical that he understands the warning signs and symptoms of hypoglycemia. The following is a list of symptoms which may indicate a mild to moderate hypoglycemia: hunger, drowsiness, blurred vision, depressive mood, dizziness, sweating, palpitation, tremor, restlessness, tingling in the hands, feet, lips, or tongue, lightheadedness, inability to concentrate, headache, sleep disturbances, anxiety, slurred speech, irritability, abnormal behavior, unsteady movement, and personality changes. If any of these warning signs should occur, an athlete should immediately consume a food or drink containing sugar such as a candy bar or carbohydrate drink. This will treat a mild to moderate hypoglycemia and prevent a severe state of hypoglycemia. Severe hypoglycemia is a serious condition that may require medical attention. Symptoms include disorientation, seizure, unconsciousness, and death.


Insulin is used in a wide variety of ways. Most athletes choose to use it immediately after a workout. Dosages used are usually 1 IU per 10-20 pounds of lean bodyweight. First-time users should start at a low dosage and gradually work up. For example, first begin with 2 IU and then increase the dosage by 1 IU every consecutive workout. This will allow the athlete to safely determine a dosage. Insulin dosages can vary significantly among athletes and are dependent upon insulin sensitivity and the use of other drugs. Athletes using growth hormone and thyroid will have higher insulin requirements, and therefore, will be able to handle higher dosages.


Humilin R should be injected subcutaneously only with a U-100 insulin syringe. Insulin syringes are available without a prescription in many states. If the athlete can not purchase the syringes at a pharmacy, he can mail order them or buy them on the black market. Using a syringe other than a U-100 is dangerous since it will be difficult to measure out the correct dosage. Subcutaneous insulin injections are usually given by pinching a fold of skin in the abdomen area. To speed up the effect of the insulin, many athletes will inject their dose into the thigh or triceps. Most athletes will bring their insulin with them to the gym. Insulin should be refrigerated, but it is all right to keep it in a gym bag as long as it is kept away from excessive heat. Immediately after a workout, the athlete will inject his dosage of insulin. Within the next fifteen minutes, he should have a carbohydrate drink such as Ultra Fuel by Twinlab. The athlete should consume at least 10 grams of carbohydrates for every 1 IU of insulin injected. Most athletes will also take creatine monohydrate with their carbohydrate drink since the insulin will help to force the creatine into the muscles. An hour or so after injecting insulin, most athletes will eat a meal or consume a protein shake. The carbohydrate drink and meal/protein shake are necessary. Without them, blood sugar levels will drop dangerously low and the athlete will most likely go into a state of hypoglycemia.


Many athletes will get sleepy after injecting insulin. This may be a symptom of hypoglycemia, and an athlete should probably consume more carbohydrates. Avoid the temptation to go to bed since the insulin may take its peak effect during sleep and significantly drop glucose levels. Being unaware of the warning signs during his slumber, the athlete is at a high risk of going into a state of severe hypoglycemia without anyone realizing it. Humulin R usually remains active for only 4 hours with a peak at about two hours after injecting. An athlete would be wise to stay up for the 4 hours after injecting.


Rather than waiting to the end of a workout, many athletes prefer to inject their insulin dosage 30 minutes before their training session is over and then consume a carbohydrate drink immediately following the workout. This will make the insulin more efficient at bringing glycogen to the muscles, but it will also increase the danger of hypoglycemia. Some athletes will even inject a few IUs before lifting to improve their pump. This practice is extremely risky and best left to athletes with experience using insulin. Finally, some athletes like to inject insulin upon waking in the morning. After the injection, they will consume a carbohydrate drink and then have breakfast within the next hour. Some athletes find this application of insulin very beneficial for putting on mass, while others will tend to put on excess fat using insulin in this way.
Insulin use can not be detected during a drug test. For this reason, along with the fact that it is cheap and readily available, insulin has become a popular drug among the competitive athlete. However, before an athlete attempts to use insulin, he should educate himself and make himself aware of the consequences. One mistake in dosage or diet can be potentially fatal.

Effective Dose

1 IU per 10 - 20 lbs. of body weight

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Gear101*
01-21-2003, 12:34 PM
just don't go over 10iu's ed.. around that point i'll start to see some side show up..