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92StangMan
01-29-2003, 12:02 AM
Lately I have been reading the drug profiles and here is what I came up with:

Testosterone Enanthate combined with winny
then ending with clomid.

I haven't read through every drug profile but this sounds good to me and figure I would post it.

Even though Test. E. has a high rate of losing sperm count, the estrogen isn't that high and with clomid, everything should be back to normal (This is what I read so please correct me if I am wrong!) ;)

Thanks,

Corey

winnie
01-29-2003, 12:15 AM
What are the dosages that you're planning on running? Also, what are you goals?

92StangMan
01-29-2003, 12:22 AM
To be honest, I really don't know how much I really want to take. That's something I was hoping you all could help me out on.

My goal by the end of this year is to be around 190 pretty solid with under 10% body fat. At the begining of this year, my body fat was 5.5% and I weighed 160; now I'm at 170 but do not know my BF%.

My goal would be to put on as much mass as I could and then cut up just a tad.

dedprez*
01-29-2003, 12:49 AM
test enanthate and winny are good...but for a basic cycle and to save u some cash i would go t200(enanthate) @400mgs and EQ at 200mgs per week...or 500/400 or 500/300.......and eat!tell us a little bit more about yourself

Harvey Balboner
01-29-2003, 12:51 AM
You need to do some more research and decide what dosages will be right for you.

I have seen beginer cycles with dosages from 250-500mg per week of test. Most people run winny 50mg eod or ed.

92StangMan
01-29-2003, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by dedprez*
tell us a little bit more about yourself

What exactly do you want to know?

I'm 6'1", 170lbs (started out at 135 almost 2-years-ago) and I try to take in 200g of protein per day; give or take 10-15g; my diet started this year, too.
I took 1.5 months off from weight lifting because my tendonitis was building up so it was time to take a rest. After the rest, Christmas came followed by New Year's and the gym would be closed quite a bit so I decided to take more time off to make sure it would heal.
Now it has fully healed and I have been hard at it for 3-weeks now. As of right now, I am about 90% from last November where I took that break.
The cycle is planned around the first of March so it gives me more time to decide what I want to do and when I finish it, Summer time will be here and hopefully will have something to show.
Even though I gained 25-pounds, I still consider myself skinny and looking to put on a good solid 20lbs.

winnie
01-29-2003, 01:06 PM
I would do 500mg test EW, 350 mg of EQ EW finish up w/ some winny at the end. Are you planning on using tabs or injecatable?

92StangMan
01-29-2003, 01:48 PM
I would like to use the tabs but if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it right so I'll be injecting it.

46and2aheadofme
01-29-2003, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by 92StangMan
I would like to use the tabs but if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it right so I'll be injecting it.

Go with the tabs.
The reason - winny is very short acting, so you'll need to take some in every day (ED) or every other day (EOD).
However, the enanthate can be injected once a week, since it is much longer acting.
Therefore, winny inj = EOD shots...... winny tabs = 1 shot/wk

Given all your info, here's a good place to start:
Test: 500-600mg/wk
Winny: 50mg EOD

92StangMan
01-29-2003, 04:09 PM
Could I run equoposi (sp?) instead of winnie since it would be cheaper?

I appreciate the info. and I'm trying to add up about how much everything will cost.

BTW, after my cycle, how much of my gains will I keep? Just wondering.

mbstrong
01-29-2003, 06:39 PM
I agree

Badgermoon
01-29-2003, 07:00 PM
You might also consider running test and nandrolone decanoate together and then finishing off with the winny or equipoise.

arrowone
01-29-2003, 07:02 PM
I believe you will like the EQ better than the winnie, for your first cycle...test 500 and EQ 400 per week will do just fine...

46and2aheadofme
01-29-2003, 08:02 PM
How much you keep will be determined by what you do to keep it bro.

Not to disagree with the very intelligent people above, but I would go with test/winny, just because I am skeptical about the legitimacy of most eq out there, and using an oral will kick-start your cycle for the 4-5 weeks it will take for the test to kick in. Also, I'm not sure that the eq would be cheaper, take a look at the availability of each and determine that for yourself. I would run the winny weeks 1-5 or so, and I think it would be cheaper.

But that's just my opinion, the other guys are smarter than me :)

rooster1
01-30-2003, 11:16 AM
I would run deca instead of EQ because of its effects on the joints.It really helps joint pain and I would hate to see you get half way through a cycle and have to take time off for sore joints and I would take glucosamine and ibuprofen through the cycle. If you just run the two it would look like this

test 600mg/wk
deca 500mg/wk
This would be injected twice a week.Probably run for 10-12 weeks.
If you could throw some winny in towards the end,I think you would have a slam dunk cycle.If you've researched deca,you may have heard about deca dick.It diminishes your sex drive,BUT as long as your test dose is higher you will have no problems with this.
My first cycle was like this

1-12 850mg/wk test
1-12 600mg/wk deca
1-5 D-bol 50mg/ed
9-14 winny 50mg/ed
I had no problems and put on about 26lbs.I am a lot heavier than you ,so went with a little higher doses.Don't forget your anti-e's and clomid at the end......very important.

92StangMan
01-30-2003, 05:43 PM
Isn't Deca a pretty high dollar steroid? If I used Deca, I would also have to buy some Proviron and Nolvadex.
I don't make a lot of money so I'm trying to keep this in at least the $350 range for the entire cycle.

Nitrous Oxide
01-30-2003, 05:44 PM
What about DBOL ?