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20inguns
02-06-2003, 08:28 PM
Alright guys this is the deal. Im 19 and did my first cycle of sus250,deca,and dbol beginning in april of last year for 10 weeks(500 mgs sus, 400 deca,30mg dbol). Post cycle i took clomid and things seemed to be ok. The problem is ever since then my sex drive has been down and it hasnt been as easy for me to get or maintain an erection. This bothered me but for whatever reason i decided i was going to start another cycle. In december I started up again. I went with equipose and test enathate along with a 4 week front load of dbol. About half way through the cycle i decided to give up steroids and i am now about 2 weeks into clomind therapy- starting with 200 mg, then 100 for the first week, and then im going to go with 50 for the second week and see what happens. My problem is my sex drive basically does not exist. I dont feel much if any sensation and erections are harder and harder to come by. WHAT CAN I DO??? i know i messed up by even taking steroids at my age but this is really scaring me now. I just want to know how i can get my libido back and be able to not worrying about functioning sexualy. Please respond asap with any advice. thanks

winnie
02-06-2003, 10:51 PM
Bro....maybe some HCG might give you those needed effects. Have you had any experience w/ it?

It is also my opinion that your dopamine levels in your brain are low right now putting you in down, or not so good mood.

MacGyver
02-06-2003, 10:54 PM
From what one of my friends experienced, he went to his MD and ended up getting a his test levels checked. That is probably the best thing to do. His tests came back normal and he was experiencing the same things you are but it took about 1.5 months and he is back to normal.

dedprez*
02-06-2003, 10:56 PM
what winnie said...it is more in your head then something physically in your body.

RAZZ
02-06-2003, 11:28 PM
This happens to alot of guys for some reason it could of just started and AS not had anything to do with it.Because i have had my test checked after a cycle and it would be very low but the man still would stand.There could be other problems i would go c a doc not trying to be ugly but are you over wieght and do you smoke these things play a roll

rippedchef
02-06-2003, 11:31 PM
go get the bloodwork done-only way to be sure

aligator
02-06-2003, 11:31 PM
Bro I have the same problem sometimes. Nuts are small. Im still doing good with the girls but I used to fuck just anything and now I cant get it up unless the bitch is at least half way decent.

BStrongBwell*
02-07-2003, 06:41 AM
Definitely find out if it's physical (test levels) or psychological (dopamine levels). The remedy will be different for each

20inguns
02-07-2003, 04:17 PM
What would be the remedy if it is in fact due to low dopamine levels?? Thanks for all you guys help.

BStrongBwell*
02-07-2003, 05:14 PM
antidepressants. Make sure you get the right kind for the severity of your chemical imbalance created. The doc should steer you the right way...make sure you ask LOTS of questions about the sides associated with the different brands because they do vary and some are NOT so good either.

pumpseeker
02-07-2003, 05:33 PM
I can relate to this. I'm 25 and ran my 1st cycle last August for 12 weeks with enanthate, deca (@400mgs/wk) and dbol...I'll never run deca that long again! And I might just try equipoise instead. My symptoms are exactly the same as yours...I can get an erection, but it doesn't stay as hard and full for long and I really don't even have the desire to do so. This is not in my head, as I was a freakin animal before and when "on", I had to spank or fuck 5 times a day minimum. Now it's just the opposite and that really sucks. But, I'm taking time off and I'm not going to run my next one until I get my mojo back. Time will tell... It's been 2 months off already and things seem to be improving...

20inguns
02-07-2003, 06:36 PM
Did you take clomid and/or nolvadex post cycle?? If so how long?? Have you really noticed much of an improvement?? Since you are going through the same thing you know this shit sucks man. All i have to say is f#ck some deca. I wont lie, i did put on about 20 or so solid pounds with my first cycle of sus,deca,dbol, but if the trade off is losing my ability to get/maintain erections then there is no way its worth it. Also has anyone else ever felt just really exhausted and completely un-motivated to do much of anything when on clomid?? This stuff is killing me!! thanks again everyone and any other imput is greatly appretiated.

superchicken
02-07-2003, 09:30 PM
some poeples bodies have a hard time recovering hormonally from cycles. deca and fina cycles are the worst for recovery. your last cycle the deca prob shut you down real good and you never truely recovered, you should have ran clomid longer and/or used some hcg. but thats said and done so forget about that

this cycle, well your not even finished with clomid yet, your body obviously recovers slowly, so id run clomid and extra wk or 2 to help. it might take a few more wks before you start to feel normal again.

ways you can help youreself right now:

cialis or viagra will aloow blood to flow to the penis much easier, aloowing longer harder erections, but prob wont increase your desire

proviron will def increase your desire. you problem is due to low androgen levels, and proviron is an adrogen, its very effective for the problem your experinceing. also, contrary to some peoples beleif, proviron will not shut you down further, theres medical studies proving this.

hcg will temporarily fix the problem, and may help some after it is stopped if clomid is used after it.

bromocriptine and dostinex will also help. these will lower prolactin levels(high prolactin levels are associated with low sexual desire)

they will also raise dopamine levels. these will increase your desire to have sex, but wont directly increase blood flow, but desire and blood flow go hand in hand.

bromo would be marketed for male sexual dysfunction, but the patent has expired, so theres very little money in it for pharmaceutical companies, thats why youve prob never heard of it. it takes tons of money and many human trials for a drug to get approved for any specific use, and nobody is gonna pay for that if they dont hold the patent, cause generic companies will sell it cheaper and then they make no money.

cialis viagra and proviron will fix the prob in a day or 2, they work fast, so if you gotta perform asap, get some.



otc supps may help a little.

tribulous at 5g a day would prob give you a boost, as well as 5mg of yohimbine hcl, theres a diff between extract and pure yo, so make sure you know the true dose your taking.

most of those 'male sex pills' should help, they usually contain arganine, yohimbe, trib, avena sativa and others, they helped me one time, no mircle but it helped, but the otc supps are very expensive and much less effective comapred to the others i listed.

finish post cycle therapy and wait a few wks, then go get your hormone levels tested. i bet your test levels are low.

aligator
02-07-2003, 09:55 PM
Superchicken is awsome!!!

20inguns
02-08-2003, 01:01 PM
thanks for all the info superchicken. One other thing that is really bothering me is the depression im feeling from this clomid. It makes me feel like sitting around all day and doing nothing. I have basically no desire to do much of anything. What is the reason for this??(what chemical change is clomid causing??). Will it effect me permanently or should i feel alot better once i get off this stuff? Also how beneficial do you feel it would be to actually go see an endocrinologist and get all the testing done?? What would he be able to do to change things? Thanks again everyone.

dr woo
02-08-2003, 01:29 PM
fuk.
some of the nfo on these boards is outstanding
you boys really know how to make some one feal ignorant lol.

superchicken
02-08-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by 20inguns
thanks for all the info superchicken. One other thing that is really bothering me is the depression im feeling from this clomid. It makes me feel like sitting around all day and doing nothing. I have basically no desire to do much of anything. What is the reason for this??(what chemical change is clomid causing??). Will it effect me permanently or should i feel alot better once i get off this stuff? Also how beneficial do you feel it would be to actually go see an endocrinologist and get all the testing done?? What would he be able to do to change things? Thanks again everyone.

i dont know why exactly clomid causes this for so many people. clomid is a synthetic estrogen, and so is nolva. but nolva doesnt cause these symptoms for so many people. maybe clomid kinda has estrogen like effects..i dont know just speculating.

next time maybe you should use nolva for post cycle in place of clomid, i feel clomid is better, but nolva def works very well, if not the same as clomid for recovery. and if clomid effects you in such a negative way, its time to switch to nolva next time.

the feelings should subide pretty quick when clomid is finished.

getting tested would tell you what your hormones are, and if they are low or whatever the case may be. it can also lead to further tests to see if your testicles themself are the problem(assuming the first test revealed low testosterone leves) or it could tell you if your not making enough lh etc..

this will allow the doc to narrow down the root of the problem. i dont think many docs are very good at treayting post cycle bodybuilders, some know their stuff but most docs really are kinda clueless in this respect. he might try and give you androgel etc... which will raise test and androgen levels, but it doesnt really fix the prob, its more of a band aid. a good doc might prob put you on hcg and clomid for a while to see if it helps, ive seen studies where it cured low test levels even after treatment was stopped.... you can do this yourself and use hcg nolva since clomid effects you badly.

its just nice to know what is causing the problem. it will help you treat it with more accuracy instead of shooting blidly, although most likely the treatments will be very similar regardless.

BStrongBwell*
02-09-2003, 02:21 PM
good posts superchicken...great knowledge base you have there.