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someday
02-20-2003, 11:43 PM
Have 4-5 weeks left to cut and then I am finally going to give AS a shot for the first time. I have spent a long time listening and reading and trying my best to grow naturally. I went all the way up to a fat 262 pounds and am currently down 24 #'s in 7 weeks using a super high protein diet and two hours of light cardio a day (600g pro, 150g carb, 150g fat approx - eat 8-9 times a day). I have been lifting for 3 + years and have made some really solid gains by just eating and resting in between workouts. However, I seem to have plateaued - thus the desire to try AS once and for all. Also, I finally have my diet and commitment tuned in to where they need to be to make such an endeavor. Anyhow, the guy that set up my current diet routine (one given to him by a top 20 Olympia competitor) has suggested the following for my first cycle....

600 mg Deca wks 1-10
1 Anadrol tab/day wks 1-10
Prop wks 7-10 (600,400,200)

Clomid twice daily post cycle

He has never experienced the decrease in sex drive that I have read about at times, so I was wondering what % of users tend to see this? Also, would it be more pronounced with a first time user? I'm wondering because I am happily married and would like to stay that way!:D

Any comments? Thanks for the input since I am certain that some of you are sick of answering questions such as this. Just keep in mind that over the past year (I was on FB before this) that I've never asked even once.:D

LaMastaKilla
02-21-2003, 12:15 AM
i don't think your ready for ed injections with prop i'd run something like:
enanthate @ 500 mgs wk wks 1-10
deca @ 400 mgs wk wks 1-10
a-bombs @ 50 mgs ed wks 1-5
clomid wk 13
oh and i'd run liquidex you are gonna be holding a lot of water

Kiss
02-21-2003, 01:33 AM
Someday, I think LaMastaKilla is right in his recomendation. You can use lighter doses and see good results. I would definitely do the anadrol for no longer than 5 weeks, it is pretty hard on the liver. Good Luck, your first cycle will be an awesome experience.
:D :D

bigshug
02-21-2003, 02:38 AM
Anadrol is a pretty potent oral for your first go 'round, as long as you DON'T yield to temptation and up the dosage you should be OK......that shit's nothing to play with

midwtchamp
02-21-2003, 02:44 AM
All cycles should have test all the way through them...run it as the masta said....or you could run eq at 400 mg/week instead of deca, make sure you run dex all the way through and still have some nolvadex on hand...I am paying for not having nolv on hand...but thank god I was getting a juvenile gyno removed anyway...good luck man

rooster1
02-21-2003, 05:49 AM
Hey someday,I ran 600mg/wk deca and 800mg/wk test enanth my first go aroud and NO problems with sex drive.It actually improved to like 5 times a day.
I would run winny towards the end like weeks 8-12 @ 50mg/ed to keep androgens in the system while the deca/test is tapering out of your system.Actually winny/prop would be best.Then go straight to clomid and post recovery.I would also use HCG @500-1000iu weeks 3,6,9 to keep gonads out and about and decrease your recovery time from the cycle or at least keep you from crashing as hard and KEEP those gains.Your cycle looks alot like my first except I used D-bol instead of anadrol.And I used higher doses.I put on 26lb in 5weeks.My point is you'll be happier with D-bol.

mbstrong
02-21-2003, 10:41 AM
I think the Anadrol is way to much for the first time. Keep it nice and simple your first time. I would personally just do 400mg test a week for 10 weeks.

BLEED GREEN
02-21-2003, 11:29 AM
I like La Mastas's suggestion-Maybe without the A-bombs?

viper10139
02-21-2003, 11:30 AM
keep it simple bro....trust me...on this...I have 4 under my belt, and have never touched the drols, and I am going to hopefully try it in the next couple of weeks....so who knows...but I would go with LaMastkilla....he knows his stuff...I would do what he said!!

someday
02-22-2003, 01:00 AM
Thanks for all of the input gentlemen. Since most seem to concur on running the test with the Deca and after reading up some more, I will take LaMasta's recommendation of running the enthanate wks 1-10. This should also completely eliminate any possibility of diminishing the sex drive. Also, if I were to back off from the D-rols and use the D-bols instead, would I still only run them for 5-6 weeks? Seems I have read that if you are cycling Anadrol that you should use it for no more than 6 weeks, but you could switch over to D-bols after that. That would seem to imply that I could run D-bols for a longer time (i.e. wks 1-10).

As far as the anti-E's go, I should run Liquidex all the way through and then use Clomid 2x day 3 weeks after cycle is over? What about using Novaldex instead? I've come across a couple of research articles and profiles that suggest Novaldex is actually a better anti-E to use post cycle than Clomid is. What have you guys experienced with these?

BiggerStronger
02-22-2003, 08:17 PM
The point everyone is trying to make is that most orals are 17aa. These 17aa AAS including D-bol/anadrol/winny/etc. could damage your liver. Generally you wouldn't ever want to do any of these for more than 6 weeks.

For the anadrol I would say no more than 4 or 5 weeks and for d-bol no more than 5 weeks.

Also it is important to get bp and liver values checked while on. Especially using anadrol (one of the most toxic AAS) on your first cycle. You don't know how your body is going to handle it. Be safe and do it right.

rooster1
02-23-2003, 10:29 AM
comid worked for me on a fairly heavy first cycle.Like you said,there is some research pointing towards nolva being better but not enough have tried it for that.I read here recently from someone I put alot of faith in that they have been using nolva only for post recovery and swear by it.It will have to be something you choose and experiment with for yourself to see which you like better.