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which steroids do not shut down hpta ( your natural test)? and which shut it down the most? whats the longest you should have it shut down before you have any problems?

i guess this is for the more experienced users here...

thanks,

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all will shut you down at the doses we use
the hardest, IMO would be tren
No clue on your meaning of the last question... what do you consider problems...
 
Like Bass just said they all will shut you down. The same mechanics that allow them to bind to your receptors allow them to be seen as natural hormones. When the body senses that your levels are high enough it doesn't call on the testies to produce testosterone. The longer they are not called upon the more shrinkage you get in you HTPA.

As far as wht shuts you down the most/least I don't think there are any factual studies on this. One therory is Prolactin/Progesterone is not eliminated from the body at the same rate as estrogens. Steriods that are linked to Progesterone sides like deca and tren are viewed as being a little slower to recover from.

-TAZ
 
Have to 3rd that. I noticed after Tren use..boys seemed to stay up North for a bit longer than usual.
When you say problems I assume you are referring to like not being able to have children things of that nature. The more you use and the longer you stay on..the higher your chances are of maintaining long-term health problems...not only with fertility but kidneys,liver, heart etc. A very well known ,very large competitive BBer who is now retired and sometimes frequents this board gave me some good advice. " Do a few cycles...put on some size..then get off of it ...unless your a serious competitor, staying on for extended periods is not worth the health risks " ...........456
 
What about Primo....

Primobolan Depot, like the tablets, has only a very small influence on the hypothalamohypophysial tes-ticular axis so that the body's own testosterone production is only reduced when very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period of time.


>>Primobolan Depot, although with a weaker effect than Deca-Durabolin, is a good basic steroid with a predominantly anabolic effect and, depending on the goal, can be effectively combined with almost any steroids. Those who would like to gain mass rapidly and do not have Deca available, can use Primo-Depot together with Sustanon 250 and Dianabol. Those who have more patience-or are afraid of potential side effects will usually be very satisfied with a stack of Primobolan Depot 200 mg/week and Deca-Durabolin 200-400 mg/week. We believe that the best combination is Primobolan Depot with Winstrol Depot. 200 - 400 mg/week is the normally used dosage of Primobolan Depot although there are enough athletes who inject a 100 mg ampule daily. Primobolan Depot, like the oral acetate form, is not converted into estrogen, however, low water retention can occur, which is the reason why during preparations for a competition the injections are usually preferred.

Side effects with Primobolan Depot are minimal and manifest them-selves only rarely and in persons who are extremely sensitive. Due to the androgenic residual effect, side effects include light acne, deep voice or increased hair growth. Primobolan Depot has even less in-fluence on the liver function than the oral form so that an increase of the liver's toxin values is extremely unlikely. The blood pressure, cholesterol level, HDL and LDL values, as with Primo tablets, usu-ally remain unaffected. Primobolan Depot is generally the safest in-jectable steroid. Athletes whose liver values strongly increase when taking anabolic steroids but who still do not want to give up their use, under periodical supervision of these values, can go ahead and try a stack of Primobolan Depot, Deca-Durabolin, and Andriol. Primobolan Depot, like the tablets, has only a very small influence on the hypothalamohypophysial tes-ticular axis so that the body's own testosterone production is only reduced when very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period of time.

Women normally prefer the 25 mg tablets but there are several fe-male athletes who inject 100-200 mg or more Primobolan Depot/ week. 100 mg Primobolan Depot/week, combined with 50 mg Winstrol Depot/week, is usually an effective stack for many women and is tolerated well so that virilization symptoms are rarely ob-served. To avoid an undesired accumulation of androgens in the body women should pay attention that there are three to four days in between the relative injections. For competing female athletes this stack, however, is too weak. Primobolan Depot is often used in a dose of 100 mg/week to bridge over steroid breaks which, in our opinion, is not a good idea: The non-stop use of anabolic steroids has a strong negative influence on the body's own testosterone pro-duction and prevents the body from normalizing its functions. Dos-ages as low as 100 mg Primobolan Depot/week or 50 mg Deca-Durabolin/week (also often used for bridging) are non-toxic and mostly have no side effects. However, the effectiveness of such an intake must be strongly doubted since both compounds in this dos-age are much too weak in order to effectively counter affect the cata-bolic phase which begins in the steroid phases. Better results can usually be obtained with Clenbuterol without influencing the hor-mone system. Those who believe that in the "steroid free time" they must still take some "stuff " to bridge the usages should inject the long acting Testosterone enanthate (e.g. Testoviron Depot 250 mg/ ml) every two to three weeks.

Primobolan Depot, unlike the tablets, is well distributed and readily available on the black market. Primobolan Depot sells for approximately $15 per am-pule. A Mexican version is available but only in the 50 mg strength. Special attention must be paid to the fact that the injec-tion solution of the original Spanish Primobolan is included in an ampule of brown glass with a red imprint burnt into the glass, and not in normal window glass as is common in other coun-tries. The Mexican version is also in brown glass but the label is blue. When the package is opened a clear plastic bed is visible which, on the other side, is coated with aluminum foil and has the "Primobolan Depot" imprint on its surface. So far, according to our knowledge, there are no fakes yet.
 
Methenolone is a great compound that probably will not influence the HPGA as rapidly as the more androgenic compounds; but it will definitely influence it. Without actual blood tests taken at various points throughout usage of the compound, it's difficult (actually, impossible) to acurately assess the drug's impact.

Primobolan is my favorite anabolic because it works reliably with the least amount of adverse effects. The only two problems I have with the med are (1) it's ridiculously expensive compared to other compounds, and (2) good luck finding factory original 100 MG/ML amps.
 
I don't know if it is true but I read a while back Anavar doesn't shut you down. Anybody know for sure?
 
you mean so it just doesn't kill your sex drive? But you would still need clomid afterward to restor natural test levels.
 
use the time on +time off equation to figure out how long it will take for natural test to return. not only will the substance used influence return, but also how much you use.
 
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