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caladin
02-25-2003, 06:07 PM
GEAR:
wk 1-12 EQ @ 400mg/wk (EQL) [Mon & Thursday Shots]


wk 1-12 Enanthate @ 500mg/wk (EQL) [Mon & Thursday Shots] "Frontload 1000mg"


wk 1-8 Fina @ 75mg/EOD (Homemade)


wk 10-14 Winny @ 50mg/ED


Wk 1-4 Dbol @ 50mg/ED


Wk 5-12 Armidex @ .25mg/EOD

RECOVERY:

wk 15-17 Clomid
Clomid (250mg for 1 days, 100 mg 10 days then 50 mg for 10 days)

Note: 500ius of HCG will be taken every Saturday and Sunday until week 12

wk 16-17 Clenbuterol
Day1: 20mcg 1
Day2: 40mcg 2
Day3: 60mcg 3
Day4: 80mcg 4
Day5-Day14: 100mcg (200mcg split in 1/4)

winnie
02-25-2003, 06:17 PM
Looks good, although I would run the armidex from the beginning, this would help keep the bloat down from the dbol.

goldenear
02-25-2003, 06:17 PM
I would rethink the hcg strategy.

Elmoduplaya
02-25-2003, 06:30 PM
Yeah! I though hcg is only effective at the end of the cycle, I never heard of anyone taking it through out. I could be wrong?

goldenear
02-25-2003, 06:59 PM
You can take it effectively mid-cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. But taking it a couple days per week @ 500 IU's/day is really questionable, especially when you don't need it. With the longer esterified compounds, you probably won't be feeling much until week 3 anyway (notwithstanding the dbol).

caladin
02-25-2003, 07:32 PM
I though that the bloat from DBOL was one of the reasons it worked so well. But if that is the issue then i will run it for the whole cycle. as for the HCG. on one of the other boards there was a post and a Male issues physican Recomend this.

goldenear
02-25-2003, 08:09 PM
I would request to see accompanying blood tests to support his position. Without them, we (including doctors) are all just guessing.

caladin
02-25-2003, 08:11 PM
Fair Call. Ill see what I can dig up.

Any insight on my dbol theory?

goldenear
02-25-2003, 08:17 PM
Yeah, you're right about the dbol. There's no doubt that excessive water retention will cause a substantial increase in strength. But dbol also works in other ways apart from the water retention. It's really a personal preference if there aren't any gyno concerns.

Right now, I'm running dbol and test prop without any anti-e's.

BStrongBwell*
02-28-2003, 05:39 AM
What are your goals? Is this for bulking or cutting? It looks like a bulker since you have dbol. I wouldn't do both dbol and winny in the same cycle---too hard on the liver as they are both 17aa. If uR bulking, then the winny is really not necessary anyway. I know some guys just like to tighten up at the end of a cycle, but IMO, that's what cutting cycles are for.

On the clen, I'd save it too for a real cutting cycle. I guess it's a matter of personal pref, but I don't like to mix bulking and cutting strategies. What you end up with is diminished results because cutting strategies don't promote muscle gain, and bulking strategies don't promote fat loss.


some points on HCG:
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-No need to do site injections because there is no local effect with HCG.
-1000u/day should get the job done.
-Don't run it after the cycles over.
-Don't take any antiinflamatories during the week you take HCG.
-Last cycle I did 1000U/d 3 days in a row at the beginning of weeks 3/6/9 and that kept my nuts from shrinking.
-SubQ injections with a 27ga work well.

Recent article on HCG in MD stated that the action of HCG was greatly reduced if taken with anti-inflammatories---Motrin/Celebrex/Vioxx/Aspirin/Naproxen/Aleve....shouldn't be taken within a few days of HCG.
ECA and willow bark extracts shouldn't be taken then either or your wasting your HCG.

and who wants to waste perfectly good distilled pregnant urine.....…

Badgermoon
03-01-2003, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by BStrongBwell*
and who wants to waste perfectly good distilled pregnant urine.....…


Mmmm pregnant urine...

question on running winny at the end... If I hold off on the winny, do I need to wait the time-on/time-off period before a cutter? (assuming I'd run test with it) Seems like I'd have to. By then, maybe I'd be leaner anyway, and not need the winny, and save my joints. Lots comes into play on that subject when you think about it.

I have 20ml on hand already, guess I might be throwing them away if I don't need them... :eek:
:p

Nitrous Oxide
03-01-2003, 01:06 PM
As BStrongBwell said don't do DBOL and Winny at the same time..it will kill your liver bro..and It looks like you wanna do it both cutting and bulking cycle..eh..? winny is for cutting..not for bulking my friend..

BStrongBwell*
03-05-2003, 08:38 PM
I will add that I've used winny at the end of a bulking cycle...only to make my fat ass feel a little tighter all around though, LOL. I do know guys that do that and swear to it, but IMO, I'd save the $$ and use when I really need it...during cutting and for contest prep.