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rugbythug
03-11-2003, 11:15 AM
I am going to do a 2 step cycle. CUT/HCG/Cut again

is this good?
week1-7
100mg prop ed
50mg Fina Ed
100mg EQ ed

8-9
hcg and clomid

10-17
100mg prop ed
10-15
100mg eq ed
13-17
add
50mg winny ed
l-dex at .25-.5 all the time
hcg and clomid ramp.
would this let me recover from the tren shutdown better? Or will the hcg bring me back fine? Last cycle it was over a month after clomid that libido came back and I lost almost all my gains. That was
750 mg Test pw
400 mg Eq pw
37 dbol fist 4 weeks ed

pudgy
03-11-2003, 11:25 AM
the prop should take care of the tren, you could run 75 and be ok with the prop, id stop the tren wk 6-8

DecaDent*
03-11-2003, 12:13 PM
Isn't 700mg EQ/week a bit high?

Why stop the EQ at week 7? The levels will still be up the following 2 weeks while you are on the hcg/clomid making at least the clomid less effective. I'd run the prop and maybe even the tren for at least 10 days after the last EQ shot,and then do the clomid. (similar to how your planning phase 2 with running the prop/winny longer than the EQ )

LA
03-11-2003, 12:51 PM
I'm not exactly sure you know it, but you have yourself a 17 week cycle here. It also looks odd to me that you are using EQ ed (due to it's long half-life).

If tren sides aren't an issue, I would bump up the tren and cut back a little on the eq. Tren has fat burning properties. EQ (although very little water gain) does not. EQ will also raise your appetite.

If you really want to stay on for 17 weeks just run the HCG as planned. This should put some size back in your balls, but it won't do anything for recovery (including the way you are planning on running it).

Finally if you lost all your gains after your last cycle, you need to re-examine what happened then. If you used clomid & HCG correctly, 4-6 weeks is really pretty standard for recovery. So what do you do to prevent loss? Look at your diet/cardio. In order to not to lose muscle post cycle you need to keep your calories up. The body will try to get back to it's original weight. The longer you force it to remain at it's new weight the better off you are. One last thing. Don't try to gain muscle & cut at the same time. Don't worry about losing "gains". Worry about keeping what you have when cutting. Good Luck!

goldenear
03-11-2003, 12:59 PM
You won't recover at all during weeks 8 & 9 because the EQ will still be active during this time. Any exogenous hormones recognized by your body will "short circuit" the negative feedback mechanisms regulating your endocrine system. Besides, two weeks isn't nearly enough time to regain homeostasis.

You could intermittently use the hcg throughout the 17 weeks hoping to avoid complete testicular shutdown (due to absence of GnRH) but any other course is pretty useless in my opinion.

goldenear
03-11-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by LA
This should put some size back in your balls, but it won't do anything for recovery (including the way you are planning on running it).

Good post LA...looks like you beat me to it! lol

rugbythug
03-11-2003, 01:33 PM
Thanks guys. I will change it to 14 weeks. Put some hcg in every 4 weeks and post.

1-14 Prop 100mg ed
1-7 Fina 37.5-75mg ed depending on if I start getting bad mood swings
1-12 EQ 400 mg pw
10-14 winny 50 mg ed
l-dex .25-.5 alll the way
hcg and clomid ramp post

DecaDent*
03-11-2003, 01:59 PM
I like the changes rugbythug.