bit confused about the top 10 tren post

You said tren does not aromatize, right? Then why do people say the gains are good but the side f/x are greater also. I thought aromatization was the cause of side f/x?

It was originally thought to be very tough on the kidneys. But it isn't as bad as once thought.

It doesn't amortize into estrogen, but can still cause progesterone gyno, which nolva won't work on.

are you supposed to run nolva all the way through a cycle?
then clomid after?

nolva won't do anything for progesterone.

But if your not talking about a cycle with other thing than fina, you can either run nolva all the way through, or when you start getting any signs of gyno.

what do you run for gyno on fina than? and are symptoms the same. i had a recent problem with soreness on nips, while on test and fixed that with nolv.

its_me_jay said:

what do you run for gyno on fina than? and are symptoms the same. i had a recent problem with soreness on nips, while on test and fixed that with nolv.

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you would need to run bromo

ran 5000mg of tren at 100mg/ed, had no progestrerone sides. many are less suseptible to this than to estro conversion

I have done three cycles of fina. I used fina once had no probs. Then my second cycle of fina gave me gyno. My nips hurt so bad for several months and I was taking 60mg of nolv ED and 1mg Arim ED to make it go away (couldn't get bromo). Oddly, The growth did not start until I was over two months off fina. I actually now have fibrous tissue about the size of a pea now behind one of my nips, but it used to be swolen the size of a marble when it was growing/hurting... It is not visible thank god... The arim and nolv didn't help. My third cycle I ran letrozole the whole way through and had no probs. I know that letrozole is not suppossed to block fina related gyno but I know for sure it helped. I believe that it reduces estrogen so much that it actually helps cuz there is less estrogen working synergistically w/ the progesterone to create gyno. Bromo is suppossed to work but I've never tried it. I am about to start another cycle of fina again. Alot of my friends have done fina w/ no probs and I think an anti aromatase will still help if you do not have bromo and are sensitive to fina gyno. The cycle I got gyno on I didn't start the arim till to late. An anti aromatase is far more effective if you take it throughout cycle rather than when symptoms arise. But the only direct way to combat fina gyno is bromo I think.

I will still use fina but will now run an anti aromatase the whole time and several weeks after discontinuing use. If I feel like trying something new I may try bromo sometime but I doubt it because I found something that works for me. To others I do not recommend using anything unless you already have gyno and are now extra sensitive to further growth. Oddly, I've never met anyone who got gyno from fina other than myself so I recommend not taking an anti e because most people do not have probs. I just happenned to be one of those 1% or something...lol

Off topic, but letrozole is the best drug i've ever come across for combatting estrogenic side effects. I have used letrozole w/ tons of gear and (over 3g for several weeks) of gear everyweek and no probs.

If anyone wants to read about my fina gyno experience I had a bunch of posts on it that you might be able to find, but I do not know if they are still lingering far far down on the board because they are probably over a year old. If you can't find them let me know and I can retell my story...

bigjosh