Favorite Cutting cycles

Hey Fella's

I have never done a cutting cycle before, but I want to do one this summer. Just wanted to check in and see what people enjoy. I personally don't go very high with doses, just because I haven't needed to to attain success.

Let me know your favorites when you get a chance!!!

-J

winny/tren/prop 50/75/100 ed

same here except 50/100/100

close but...

Winny- 50ed
Tren- 100 ed

Sans the prop. No estrogen conversion this way and the winny should be enough to keep Willy happy.

LA said:

close but...

Winny- 50ed
Tren- 100 ed

Sans the prop. No estrogen conversion this way and the winny should be enough to keep Willy happy.

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but your missing the cutting of the prop, imo

Same as Pudgy, but throw in EQ 400mg weekly, & clen for 2 weeks on 2 off.

I really want to try anavar in my next cutter.

but your missing the cutting of the prop, imo

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I understand that test has cutting properties but test (including prop) converts to estrogen. Now add in the fact that if you are going to cut you probably have some body fat to lose, thus you will be producing more aromatise (meaning more estrogen). This is why I think using test in a cutter is 1 1/2 steps forward, 1 step back. You can take test and some anti-e's but I feel you get better results from just dropping the test and replacing it with tren.

50 winny/ed and 100 tren/ed is 1050mg of AS a week. More than enough to keep muscle (based on J*'s post about not wanting to use high doses). Both tren & winny have cutting properties that IMO are better than test. The winny will keep Willy happy and you'll save money on anti-e's.

Remember this is just my opinion and I have frequent discussions about this often. And I will say most people don't agree with me. That is unless they try a no-test cutter.

One more note- if the cycle is going to go beyond 6 weeks I would use proviron or a low dose of test at the beginning instead of the winny. Then switch to the winny later. Your joints and liver will be happier that way.

Thanks for all the help fella's...I don't have too much knowledge on cutting, so it is good to read the discussions. LA...what do you think about putting some clen or T3 in there with the winny and tren? Also, are you saying that you don't take any anti-e's during this cycle? I'm assuming that you still use clomid after.

Thanks again fella's

J

LA said:

I understand that test has cutting properties but test (including prop) converts to estrogen. Now add in the fact that if you are going to cut you probably have some body fat to lose, thus you will be producing more aromatise (meaning more estrogen). This is why I think using test in a cutter is 1 1/2 steps forward, 1 step back. You can take test and some anti-e's but I feel you get better results from just dropping the test and replacing it with tren.

50 winny/ed and 100 tren/ed is 1050mg of AS a week. More than enough to keep muscle (based on J*'s post about not wanting to use high doses). Both tren & winny have cutting properties that IMO are better than test. The winny will keep Willy happy and you'll save money on anti-e's.

Remember this is just my opinion and I have frequent discussions about this often. And I will say most people don't agree with me. That is unless they try a no-test cutter.

One more note- if the cycle is going to go beyond 6 weeks I would use proviron or a low dose of test at the beginning instead of the winny. Then switch to the winny later. Your joints and liver will be happier that way.

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i agree to a point about no test but only for cutting for contest prep, otherwise no point in dropping test for a cutting cycle just to look good on the beach, just my opinion though

Hi all.

I'm on my second bulking cycle (up to 210 lbs from 170 before my first cycle) now... but I have put on quite a bit of fat, too. So, I'm pretty interested in doing a cutting cycle in late summer/fall, as well.

Can we get a bit more specific and confirm some info that I have collected in my research for a good cutting cycle below? Also, any tips on how long to run everything would be great.

Thanks!!

-j69

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AS
Winnstrol 50mg ed?
Tren 75mg/100mg ed?
Test Prop 100mg ed?

Thermo
Clen 2wks / ECA 2wks

Diet
Calories below 2000 per day
Carbs below 20g per day
High Protein 300g per day or more / High Fat

CARDIO 2X per day
AM: 30-45 minutes run before breakfast
PM: 30-45 minutes at the gym

Weight Training
Heavy weights, low reps (same as bulking)
Lessen this at all?

Anti-estrogens
Nolvadex on hand
Need Liquidex during?
Clomid for post cycle

Presser said:

winny/tren/prop 50/75/100 ed

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I agree. Can't go wrong here.

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Presser said:

winny/tren/prop 50/75/100 ed

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that's a great cycle. I just can't tolerate injections ed. I do eod with the prop and tren but take the winny (tabs) ed.

Just wanted to bump this back up for japan69...some good questions that I too am interested in...especially the use of clen, which I don't know too much about.

-J

J* said:

Thanks for all the help fella's...I don't have too much knowledge on cutting, so it is good to read the discussions. LA...what do you think about putting some clen or T3 in there with the winny and tren? Also, are you saying that you don't take any anti-e's during this cycle? I'm assuming that you still use clomid after.

Thanks again fella's

J

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Ok if you are talking about dieting as a whole now and not just gear use, let's start with diet & cardio. Post your plans for both.

Clen & T3 is a popular combo (and one of my favs). If you never done clen before ramp up slowly then come off clean. If you've done clen there is no need to ramp up. The purpose of ramping is to see how your body handles it. Most people prefer clen in a 2 weeks on, 2 off fashion. I like it 1 on, 1 off. Clen tends to weaken me in the gym by the 2nd week. Use ECA on your off weeks.

With T3 you can take a conservative or agressive route. A conservative route would be to add a small dose of T3 after your metabolism has slowed. The other choice is too ramp up and down on T3. Again, most people agree that 6-8 weeks is the longest you should be on T3 (unless your thyroid is whacked already).

No anti-e's necessary unless you add test into the cycle. The reason is winny and tren don't convert to estrogen. The tren still can cause gyno but it is rare (although I'm sure someone has got it this way). With tren being a short acting ester, you can always stop at the 1st sign. Tren & test have a synergistic effect when it comes to gyno. So knocking down the estrogen is again important.

Clomid and/or HCG are necessary for post cycle recovery.

Thanks for the advice LA...as for diet and cardio plans, I haven't gotten that far yet. I would definately be looking at high protein/fat and lower carbs along with a good combo of lifting and cardio. Basically I am looking to maintain the muscle I have while cutting some fat (I guess this is the obvious idea of a cutting cycle).

Also, I don't know anythign about ECA...I feel as though I should because I have seen it mentioned so much, but I am drawing a blank.

Thanks for all the advice again...once I figure out exactly what I want to do, I will get down to more specifics with my diet and exercise program.

J

ECA = Ephedra - Caffeine - Aspirin

I'm not sure what the recommened dosages are for each one, but last I heard they are all legal and easy enough to buy and create your own ECA stack.

Can you use Ma Huang instead of actual Ephedra?



SO, anyone have any advice on the lifting during a cutting cycle?
I plan to do cardio twice a day for 30-45 minutes each (once before breakfast and once in the evening), but I am unsure if you lift any different when cutting.

I have heard that you should still lift heavy... but do you cut down on the workout at all? like maybe only 3 days a week or something? less exercises on a particular muscle group?

Any advice would be great.

Scientific research has shown that the combination of 25 mg ephedrine, 200 mg caffeine, and 300 mg aspirin is ideal to produce a synergetic effect. Those who apply this combination three times daily, approxi-mately 30 minutes prior to a meal, will significantly burn fat.

I don't see any reason to not lift heavy, the idea that doing high reps with light weights is stupid.

Japan:
About your cycle, have you ever ran fina before? If not go with 75 or 100mg EOD, until you get used to it, and adjust it from there, but that will probably do for your first go with fina.

What have you ran before? Previous cycles?

Harvey,

I don't know if I can even get fina since I am in Japan.

Previous cycle was:

Wk 1-6 D-bol 35mg
Wk 1-8 Sustanon 250mg
Wk 1-8 Deca 200mg
Went from 169 to 183 lbs

Current cycle (On wk 5 now):
Wk 1-5 D-bol 30mg
Wk 1-12 Sustanon 500mg
Wk 1-12 Deca 400mg
Wk 1-12 EQ 400mg
Already went from 189 to 212 lbs


Thanks for the ECA dosage, btw...

-j69