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pumpseeker
03-25-2003, 05:03 PM
I'm planning on starting this one next month. I tried to space my injections out so I wouldn't have to stick more than 2 ccs at a time. Any opinions are appreciated. Thanks.

1-10: 750mg/wk sustanon (M,Thurs,Sat injects)
1-10: 400mg/wk equipoise (M, Thurs injects)
1-4: 30mg/ED dbol
8-13: 50mg/ED winny depot
8-13: 200mg/wk primobolan (Sun, Wed injects)

liquidex 0.5-1 mg ED throughout
clomid post cycle
nolvadex on hand
milk thistle/ALA ED

Question:
When should I start clomid and how long should I run it for??

goldenear
03-25-2003, 05:15 PM
Primobolan uses the enanthate ester, so that is probably going to be the last one to exit. I usually feel things start declining with enanthate products around week 3. But that's about 6 weeks with declining testosterone levels, so I'm not sure what you think about that.

Regardless of when you start your post-cycle stuff, it's a safe bet that exogenous hormones will not permit complete restoration of the HPTA. Is that why you go with Primobolan @ 200mg/wk...thinking since that dosage has minimal suppression (as universally claimed) then you might actually begin to recover?

DecaDent*
03-25-2003, 06:07 PM
I like the cycle. I'm not a fan of winstol in general due to the sides ,especially elevated lipids/cholesterol#( get a cholesterol check when your on it and you'll see what I mean,thru the roof values in most people). You can get good gains and minimal sides with 6-12mg winny ED even though 50mg/ed is a "standard" dose,I don't agree that it's optimal.
I'd start clomid 7-10 days after last primo anfd run it for 4 weeks.

bigshug
03-26-2003, 01:34 AM
Is sust really so good, though? IMO it's too much more expensive than enant to warrant using it over the other......

pumpseeker
03-26-2003, 09:53 AM
goldenear-I used the 200mg/wk dosage of primo based on my source's recommendation. Do you disagree?

DecaDent-Good info, thanks. Given this is my second cycle, and I have never done winny before, would you suggest using a much lower dose? Or stay with the 50mg/day?

bigshug-Yes, I spent more on sust than I did on enanthate last cycle but I wanted to try something different this time around.

One more question, anyone think that's too much test? I only used 500mg/wk of enanthate last cycle (Sun, Thurs injects) and got solid results. However, I've been told sust should be run EOD or MWF to take advantage of the prop...this is why I ran it at 750/wk.

scorpio
03-26-2003, 10:01 AM
Sustanon is perfect at 750 a week. I go 1000 sometimes.

mbstrong
03-26-2003, 12:01 PM
looks good to me but you might want to add the eq with every sus shoot just to knock down the pain a little.

DecaDent*
03-26-2003, 12:55 PM
As far as winstrol doses go,alot of animal reseachers use 0.04mg/lb (that's 4 mg per day for every 100lbs) so a 200lb bodybuilder would take 8mg/day. At 0.04mg/lb significant increases in nitrogen retention and muscle mass occur,going higher up in the dose does not produce equivalent increases in nitrogen retention or muscle mass,just more sides(liver and cholesterol). I personally was happy with results I got taking 10mg a day(spread it thoughout the day).
I have some human research articles somewhere....I'll try and find them,here's one I read recently using winnie on sled dogs.

Can J Vet Res 2000 Oct;64(4):246-8 (ISSN: 0830-9000)
Olson ME; Morck DW; Quinn KB
Animal Health Unit and Gastrointestinal Sciences, University of Calgary, Alberta. molson@ucalgary.ca.

The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention in dogs by using a non-invasive 15N-amino acid tracer technique. Ten healthy, intact, adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2 mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days (Group 1, n = 5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on Days 7, 14, 21, and 28 (Group 2, n = 5). A 15N amino acid (5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on Day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high-resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined. Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (P < 0.05) increases in amino acid nitrogen retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime. Stanozolol increases amino acid nitrogen retention in dogs, as has been previously observed in rats. This action of stanozolol may be beneficial in dogs under stress of surgical trauma and chronic disease.

Note injections were even more benificial than oral and injections were only once every 7 days.

goldenear
03-26-2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by pumpseeker
goldenear-I used the 200mg/wk dosage of primo based on my source's recommendation. Do you disagree?


I don't disagree with the Primo. I like to run an anabolic taper occasionally as well. I was just curious about your reason for doing so.

Also, it's virtually impossible to get factory original 100mg/ml Primo's right now. So be careful.

goldenear
03-26-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by DecaDent*
The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime.

There's the best argument against drinking your Zambons...Great find Deca! Thanks.

pumpseeker
03-26-2003, 04:55 PM
Thanks everyone for the responses and good info. Great article decadent. I'll try the winny at a small dose and see how I react. And goldenear, I have the spanish schering primobolan amps, I know they are very hard to come by. I was lucky to find them. I've checked them out, they are 100% legit. Oh, and scorpio, what you said about sust @ 750 puts me at ease. thanks!

madchemist36
03-26-2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by DecaDent*
I like the cycle. I'm not a fan of winstol in general due to the sides ,especially elevated lipids/cholesterol#( get a cholesterol check when your on it and you'll see what I mean,thru the roof values in most people). You can get good gains and minimal sides with 6-12mg winny ED even though 50mg/ed is a "standard" dose,I don't agree that it's optimal.
I'd start clomid 7-10 days after last primo anfd run it for 4 weeks.

i agree with u about the winny, i did get my cholestrol checked and it was pretty high

rado
03-26-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by pumpseeker
I'm planning on starting this one next month. I tried to space my injections out so I wouldn't have to stick more than 2 ccs at a time. Any opinions are appreciated. Thanks.

1-10: 750mg/wk sustanon (M,Thurs,Sat injects)
1-10: 400mg/wk equipoise (M, Thurs injects)
1-4: 30mg/ED dbol
8-13: 50mg/ED winny depot
8-13: 200mg/wk primobolan (Sun, Wed injects)

liquidex 0.5-1 mg ED throughout
clomid post cycle
nolvadex on hand
milk thistle/ALA ED

Question:
When should I start clomid and how long should I run it for??


cycle looks good kid, I would just keep the liq at 0.5 ed not 1.0
d-bol, if you can take 50mg ED, I would change that a bit too. As far as the winny goes, watch your cholesterol, it will go up. keep a good clean diet, good luck with it.:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Gear101*
03-26-2003, 08:27 PM
the primo.... how about some tren but looks good