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Bigup
03-28-2003, 06:13 AM
Will i have a problem with water retention while taking
just Winstrol???

scorpio
03-28-2003, 08:38 AM
No bro, Winstrol will harden you up. Just taking it by itself? Oral? How many mg a day?

Bigup
03-28-2003, 08:41 AM
I got lots of diff suggestions but im only taking 12Mg per day
at the moment. Wins plus Clen to get harder and more defined.
you think that'll do the trick.

diet is already high protein and lower carbs.

scorpio
03-28-2003, 09:08 AM
Jeeze, only 12mg? I've never taken it that low. Don't want to mix it with anything else?

Bigup
03-28-2003, 09:10 AM
Im training for the london Marathon and im a soccer player so im not trying for alot of growth. just a bit of growth and more definition.

Plus i heard that large dosages of Wins in oral form can harm the liver. you think i could increase??

scorpio
03-28-2003, 09:17 AM
Yes I think you should definatley increase. At the min 20mg, some people take 40-50 ed. Yes, it can be liver toxic. Take some milk thistle with it. It really does work. How long are you going to take it for? I ran test prop/tren/winny and got great results. I don't know if you can get/make tren in England though.

Bigup
03-28-2003, 09:21 AM
Its very limited to what we get over here. You have to be pretty high up the body building scale before you can pick and choose what you want in my experience.
Sust, Wins, Deca, Test enanth are all in abundance.

Once the london marathon is over in 3 weeks i'll look into getting
a bit bigger.

scorpio
03-28-2003, 09:23 AM
I've done sus/ winny and have had good results. Some sort of test should be the base of any cycle IMO.

Bigup
03-28-2003, 11:08 AM
Winny tabs only have a life of 9 hours so im told so should i take them on the day wher i rest??

LA
03-28-2003, 11:44 AM
Let's see 12mg/ed x 7 = 84mg/wk = diddly squat!

A replacement dose of test is between 150-200mg wk and that will only get your values into the "high normal" range.

You will shutdown your natural test levels and replace them with less steriod.

Bigup
03-28-2003, 11:46 AM
so i should take a shit load more then.

it wont do too much damage to my liver will.

Badgermoon
03-28-2003, 12:28 PM
Go for it Bro, livers are overrated anyway. Actually, it may help to inject it if you don't mind. I do because I believe it reduces the number of passes through my liver, and more gets into my system that way. I did 6 weeks at the end of my last cycle and I got good results. Not a lot of extra growth (ran it alone) but good strength and solidified my gains. I'm all set to run it again at the end of my current cycle and going to run prop with it this time.
On a side note, tell your people that we appreciate having Great Briton standing with us in Iraq. Seems like at the very least, we can always count on the Britts.

God Bless all our troops.

Bigup
03-28-2003, 12:42 PM
My sentiments exactly. USA & UK need to keep it tight and fcuk the rest!!

my brother is in the RAF and over there right now.

TAZ
03-28-2003, 01:00 PM
Injecting a 17aa bonded aas vs. taking it orally doesn't reduce it's toxicitiy. It does get into the bloodstream directly by absorbing into the blood through the muscle tissue. When taken orally it passes through the liver first before entering the blood stream so in theory the amount that actually reaches the bloodstream to bond to receptors is reduced by whatever the liver processed out on the first pass but the livers main job is to filter the blood it will see the compound weather it is injected or taken orally.

I do agree that 12mg per day is a pretty low does. I have seen result (and am currently running) 25mg/ed.

-TAZ

Bigup
03-28-2003, 01:12 PM
thanks. i have had 20MG so far today.

is it important to reduce the amount gradually before the
end of the course?

TAZ
03-28-2003, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Bigup
thanks. i have had 20MG so far today.

is it important to reduce the amount gradually before the
end of the course?

I don't. The deal with AAS's is kinda like this. Your system sees them as "natural test" so it doesn't send the signal to your body to produce more test when they are present in sufficient levels in the blood. When the AAS's clear your system the signal fires back to start producing test again. Also oral winstrol only lasts about 9-12 hours in the blood stream. So when you stop you will start recovering very quickly.

That's a pretty simplistic overview.

grbeard
03-28-2003, 01:43 PM
i got a stupid ques just started win (stromba oral) was wondering what it should taste like i was told to crush it up and put under my tounge but it just tasted like a sugar pill is that right??

LA
03-28-2003, 02:52 PM
Go for it Bro, livers are overrated anyway.
LMAOF- Badger!

bigshug
03-28-2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Bigup
My sentiments exactly. USA & UK need to keep it tight and fcuk the rest!!

my brother is in the RAF and over there right now.

Kick ass, man. My sentiments exactly....