Planned Cycle and Questions

Finally laid it all out...

Stats:
21 y/o...5'8"...170 lbs...9.5% bf...Lifting 3 yrs

Goals:
Overall im looking to be extremely lean and vascular at about 185lbs with 7% bf by summers end
So i guess i want a lean 15lbs here

Cycle History:
1.Test Enan @ 400mg/wk for 5 weeks
Didnt have any clomid so i gained and lost 15 lbs just like that

2.Winter Bulk Cycle just finished...
TE @ 500mg/wk 10 wks
Deca @ 400mg/wk 9 wks
Nolva @ 10mg/ed
Clomid Therapy
Gained 25 lbs b4 clomid and holding 20 as of today

Proposed cycle:
1-8 Prop 75mg/ed (QV)
1-8 Fina 75mg/ed (Homebrew)
3-8 Winny 50mg/ed (Oral BD or Inj QV)
Nolva & Bromo on hand
Clomid therapy to end

Diet:
Bulked over winter at 4000 cals/ed (Pro-300/Carb-550/Fat-70gms/ed)
This time around since i want leaner gains im thinking:
Protein 275gms/ed (half solid meals and half shakes/bars)
Carbs 200gms/ed (all complex except post wrkt)
Fats 50gms/ed (shoot for efa's no saturated)
1.5 gals water ed

Supplementation:
Multi Vitamin
Multi Mineral
B Complex
Glutamine 20gms/ed (10 AM and 10 post wrkt)
Prolab Lean Matrix Protein
Lean Body Protein Bars

Training:
Mon-chest/tris
Wen-back/bis
Fri-legs/shoulders
abs 3 days a week
cardio 2 days a week (15 min sessions)

Questions:
1. Should i run Nolva the whole time or run ldex or arim? Nolva didnt do much for me during my bulk cycle (in terms of keeping bloat down).
2. If i do run an anti e throughout what dosages? ldex @ .5 ed?
3.How does my proposed diet look? Do i need to up the protein or carbs?
4.How should i be training? I was doing HIT over winter but im thinking higher rep lower weight this time around? Or a mix routine?
5. Do i need to run ALA or drink cran juice to protect my liver?
6. Should i go with the oral or inj winny?
7. Is that enough cardio to keep me lean or am i doing too much b/c solid muscle maintainance is my #1 priority this time around?

Any opinions or suggestions are welcome!

Thanks bros

If it were me, I'd inject the winny. I would also take something to protect my liver and prostrate, milk thistle/ saw palmetto. I also take ALA.

papapump112 said:

Questions:
1. Should i run Nolva the whole time or run ldex or arim? Nolva didnt do much for me during my bulk cycle (in terms of keeping bloat down).

I'd go with Ldex and run it the whole way thru the clomid as well

2. If i do run an anti e throughout what dosages? ldex @ .5 ed?

Yep

3.How does my proposed diet look? Do i need to up the protein or carbs?

You body needs more protien per lb to cut than it does to bulk. I'd up the protein to around 320/340g/day to spare muscle protein while you cut

5. Do i need to run ALA or drink cran juice to protect my liver?

Cran juice is a total waste of money,unless your prone to infections of the urinary system it is of no value. ALA and milk thistle are both proven.

6. Should i go with the oral or inj winny?

Edge goes to inject,avoids the large "1st pass effect" from the portal system thru the liver and better absorbtion

7. Is that enough cardio to keep me lean or am i doing too much b/c solid muscle maintainance is my #1 priority this time around?

That's less cardio than I would do when cutting,so I'd up it.

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Hope that helps,good luck with the cycle!

I'd also take a look at your cals...I did a quick add up and that is only like 2100 cals per day. Like deca said your protien is really low so up that but that only takes you to 2500 cals. I dont know how fast your metabolism is but at 2500 cals I start loosing weight too fast you should adjust your cals so you are loosing no more than a lb a week. I dont think you will be able to gain a lean 15 lbs and decrease in body fat by 2% so good luck bro and best of luck!

Pretty much agree with decadent with your questions.

1 - Since this is a cutting/lean mass I would run liquidex throughout.
2 - .25 to .5 of ldex daily
5 - I would run ala, milk thistle, and cranberry extract, the cberry for the fina which may be tuff on the kidneys.
6 - I like injectable winny a lot better. Your already doing ED injections, why not add it in?

One other thing, since you have never ran Fina, you should probably start at 75mg EOD and see how you react to it, then up your dose if necessary.

I thought the training volume was a little light-I think you should train at least 4 days when on-with D's advice the cycle looks solid-glad to see a young bro doing his research-Good Luck!!

Few Changes...

Ok bros i hear u loud and clear...

Changes:

Try and get inj winny as opposed to the tabs...

Add another cardio session each week and extend them all past 15 mins...

Go back to my 4 day a week training split ahd give legs their own day...

Run the Ldex or Arim @ .25 mg/ed throughout...

Get some ALA and run it at 2000mg/ed...

And adjust cals:
Pro - 340gms
Carbs - 250gms
Fat - 60gms

What do you guys think of these alterations?