I have always used it at the begining of a my cycles usually weeks 1-4/5, 35-45mg day-since I run liquidex right from the start gyno has never been a problem-I get some great size gains(mostly water) my strength goes thru the roof-by week 4 the Test usually kicks in so it is a smooth transfer-loss of some water weight but the strength gains remain. i use hgh and clomid post cycle-I usually keep almost 75% of my gains. Dbol gives you a great training kick as well because of the pumps you get from it.
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