cycle to MUCH?

here it is i will be using 2IU of HUM R increasing as I get comfortable by 2 IU eod



wk 1-4 50mg/anadrol per day
wk 3-6 25mg/proviron ed
wk 3-10 500mg/sustanon per week
wk 3-10 250mg/cypionate per week
wk 5-8 30mg/dbol per day
wk 7-12 100mg/tren EOD
wk 8-15 50mg/winny Eod
wk 8-15 25mcg/T3 ed increasing 25mcg per week
wk 8-15 25mcg/clenbuterol ED increasing 25mcg every 3 days
unitil 100mcgs per day
wk 3-10 20mg/nolvadex ed
wk 11-15 25mg/proviron ed

ok bro...that is WAY to complicated of a cycle...what is your previous background??

I have done 2 cycles first I did deca 250 week for 12 weeks
then I did EQ, DECA, DROL, WINNY for 12 weeks

do you think this is a bad cycle. I wanted something that would expose receptors to different juice

pain hit us up with all the stats and what you are trying to acheive (bulk/cut) I'll be back online this evening.

BOXKILL im trying to bulk up a little more then try and reduce water and fat towards the end of my cycle

im 270lbs 6ft 1in I just has surgery on my ankle about 1 1/2 months ago so i gained alot of unwanted fat but I do drop fat extremely fast and grow equally as fast

Well a few thoughts, why anadrol w 1-4, then dbol 5-8? Do you plan on killing your liver now?

Injectable or oral winny?

Agree with Harvey, drol then dbol not the way to go.

also how long are you going to run the slin?

Winny is injectable, I got the foundation of this cycle off of a website but i added a little and took away a little let me see if i could find the site.

Agree as well with the drol/dbol drop.
Why wait to week 3 before any test?
Why use both sust+cyp?,although I can think of ways to use that combo I'm interested in your intent.

I'll take a crack at it.

1. Start the test in week 1
2. Drop the proviron in weeks 3-6, not sure why you would need this? If it's for an ant-e use dex or fer instead.
3. Drop the dbol or move the dbol to the front and drop the drol.
4. Run the tren to the end.
5. Nolva would not be my 1st choice of anti-e's, but I would have it onhand always, just in case.
6. You should be able to handle more than 25mcg of clen a day at the beginning. Shoot to ramp up to 100-150 range.
7. Use the clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, use ECA in the off times. On the 2nd use of the clen no need to ramp up- the purpose of the ramp is to see how clen effects you.
8. You are going to need to ramp down on the T3, so I suggest a quicker ramp up and then the ramp down. T3 should max out between 100-150 also. Start at 50. 25 is just going to replace what you are producing naturally.
9. The slin. If you are intent on using it (and I say that because you are starting at 2 ius a day). Think about using it 1-2x a week during the bulking phase only. Also do some more research. You should be able to start at 10ius of R. Have some simple carbs onhand at all times.

Let's see what I left out? 6'1" 270? Hmmm... what is your bodyfat to begin with? If it's 10% you are a big dude, if it's 15 or higher you have too much fat to bulk. Starting bulking with too much fat tends to store more fat quicker. To me this is the key component here. Since you stated that you put on a little fat recently, you might want to consider a cut followed by a maint period and then a bulk.

Hope this helps and good luck- LA

Man i would wait till you got that ankle 100% before going on

Are you able to lift at 100%

Did I read that right, that you did drol AND winny for 12 weeks? Are you sure you still have a liver?

I can lift 100% this is my 4th surgery so its becoming very routine.... NY Giants surgeon is my Dr he is amazing, I was walking 2 days after being cut and this was a major ligament reconstruction...... my body fat% right now has to be around 20%
but its not stubborn fat its drops at a rate of about 2-3 lbs per day until I hit a certain point then it slows.

I want to bulk and cut I know this is a hard thing to do but it is possible. this is what I have.....

100 anadrol(pharmacia)
200 dbol(nap)
50 winny tabs (IP)
40ml winny(ttokkyo)
soon to have 60ml of tren
20 amp sust organon 250mg/ml
2 10ml cypionate(ttokkyo)
20 amps suspension
5 bottles of proviron
5 boxes nolvadex
1 box cytadren
2 10ml HUM R
i think that wraps it up guys can someone work their magic and give me something to grow and cut

I want to bulk and cut I know this is a hard thing to do but it is possible. this is what I have.....

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Got that right!

Try this for 8 weeks.

Sust 500mg Wks 1-8
Tren 75mg/ed Wks 1-8 (If you can get more tren, bump it up to 100)
Winny 50ed wks 5-8
Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, ECA on off weeks.
T3 50-75-100-100-100-100-75-50 wks 1-8
Get some dex. Run dex at 2mg/ed.

Cardio- 4x a week, 45 mins - 1st thing in morning on empty stomach
Calories- Maintenance 3250 (and if this isn't your maint calories you will need to adjust) 500g protein, 200g carbs, 50g fat. Now comes the tricky part. You want to eat 175g of your 200g of carbs on the 1st 2 meals postwork. Cut off carbs at 7-7:30 (unless working out late).

No slin. Maybe use it to bridge post cycle.

Now the things I place the most importance are the dex, diet, tren and cardio. In that order! Dex and diet are close, but your biggest trouble is going to be estrogen. At 20% your going to convert a lot of test to it without the dex.

Continue the dex 4 weeks after cycle ends. Start clomid at week 10.

LA should I do dex from day 1 I take it you dont think i should use drol or dbol I may have a problem doing cardio in the morning because I get up at 5 and leave by 5:30 to work I line in NJ but work in CT so it hinders my mornings...... but thanks for taking time to help me i really appreciate it.

Actually start the dex 3-4 days before the cycle starts. If you can't do cardio 1st thing in the morning the 2nd best time is post workout before the PW meal. Of course skip cardio on leg days.

Dbol & drol aren't necessary here (and not my 1st choices when when of the goals is BF loss). Tren and the short esters in the sust will kick-in immediately. Again if possible up the tren dose. Tren has some truely magical recomp properties.

If you do follow this I'd very much like to hear about your progress.

Good Luck- LA

Good luck on the cycle man. Hope the ankle heals

thanks guys I will definately keep you all posted
i should change my screen name to sweet ankles... thats what my boys call me hahahaha