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cybersteffan
05-07-2003, 05:26 AM
I haven't yet. Creatine never did sh*t for me, when I trained naturally. Don't know what it's gonna do while on. Found a cheap source and am gonna throw it in next cycle.

I was wondering if roids can increase you uptake, and if so, how much would I need?

japan69
05-07-2003, 06:26 AM
i only use it for 4-6 weeks after I start clomid post cycle... the slight increase in weight i usually get generally helps psychologically anyway... dunno if it really ever does anything for me.

when i was totally natural didn't seem to make much difference...

bigshug
05-07-2003, 07:14 AM
insulin will enhance creatine absorption.....I'm currently on creatine and humalog and the pumps are pretty nice

gymrat
05-07-2003, 08:54 AM
I hold my creatine for post cycle. I combine it with glutamine and my clomid to minimize strength and size loss.

skwood
05-07-2003, 09:43 AM
I always use it at the beginning and end of my cycle. It seems to get things kick started.

bigjosh
05-07-2003, 11:30 AM
How about an option "yes I take creatine during cycles but have no clue if it works",,,lol I can't vote cuz I don't fit into any of the categories. I take like 30g of creatine ED when I take it along w/ 40g glutamine ED and don't know if it works or not cuz I am "on"

Harvey Balboner
05-07-2003, 11:34 AM
I always use creatine in my cycles since reading that article on it. You don't really put on much more weight, but it helps a lot with strength & muscle endurance.

Harvey Balboner
05-07-2003, 11:35 AM
All anabolic steriods are synthetic compounds whose *********
structure is similar to that of the natural male sex horomone
testosterone. Testosterone affects development of the male body in
two important ways: it has an anabolic effect-increased growth,
expecially of muscular and skeletal tissue and an androgenic
effect-increased development of mail sexual characteristics. Once
taken into the bloodstream, anabolic steriods bind to hormone
receptonrs on skeletal muscle and other cells and stimulate
synthesis of certain specific enzymes. These enzymes promote two
improtant biochemical reactions: creatine phoshate systesis and
protein sythesis. Creatine phospate is a molecule that can be
metabolized in the absense of sufficient oxygen as a shot-term
source of energy. Increased creatine phospate synthesis thus allows
athletes to train harders and for longer periods of time, and
therefore build more muscle. Protien synthesis is essential for
long-term development of increased muscle mass or "bulk". In
addtion, anabolic steriods promote nitrogen retention by the body.
By allowing for better utization of the nitrogen in ingested
protein, anabolic steriods help athlets to build mass. However this
effect is offset by the bodys homeostatic mechanisms, which are
designed to maintain a stable environment: therefore in order to
increase body mas by using anabolic steriods, athletes must also
adhere to a diet with suffiecent protein and calories - up to 10,000
calories daily with 300 to 400 grams of protein.


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Question, Creatine synthisis, if you increase creatine intake while
on AS will it help you get stronger. I had allways thought it just
added to the amount of water you retain ?
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Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act
as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the
androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out
of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along
with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the
entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear
relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle
creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious
when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have
shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as
the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are
only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the
muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although
it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that
the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by
waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies
pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle
cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the
anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the
creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the
strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by
an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S
users have made is that they should dramatically increase their
creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the
steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with
fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it
takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly
enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are
probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when
androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the
muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept
more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though
steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine
degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could
be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact
that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume
creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine
requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are
stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of
creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides
not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of
fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts
of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that
it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is
reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase
the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your
ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to
the muscle...

Choke03
05-07-2003, 11:38 AM
Good read Harvey
BigJosh I am with you, have used no clue if it helps, does give me the runs when I first start to cycle it.

LaMastaKilla
05-07-2003, 06:37 PM
i like to use simply gain by EAS with the protein, carb, and creatine combo in one shot... if it wasn't in the mix i don't think i'd run it at all during my cycle

bigjosh
05-08-2003, 12:21 AM
I generally take my creatine w/ a bunch of simple sugars and ala or insulin. The insulin/creatine combo is unbelievable. You can feel a super pump; it's like your muscles are gonna explode!

cybersteffan
05-08-2003, 05:19 AM
bump

bigshug
05-08-2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by bigjosh
How about an option "yes I take creatine during cycles but have no clue if it works",,,lol I can't vote cuz I don't fit into any of the categories. I take like 30g of creatine ED when I take it along w/ 40g glutamine ED and don't know if it works or not cuz I am "on"

30 grams of creatine is a waste IMO....try taking 5-10 grams daily....it's my understanding that your body can't use much more than that anyway

cybersteffan
05-08-2003, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by bigshug
30 grams of creatine is a waste IMO....try taking 5-10 grams daily....it's my understanding that your body can't use much more than that anyway

I think it depends on how much creatine you have in stock. I believe that's the reason why some users like me don't see sh*t with creatine, simply because they have lots of it. I eat lots of red meats.

I've seen bro's swelling up real hard on creatine however. These were all vegetarians.

I think I'll throw it in next cycle and see what the difference is for me personally. But seeing this poll, I kinda sure it ain't gonna do much.

bigjosh
05-08-2003, 11:38 AM
well aside from all those out there who are afraid of mega dosing creatine due to health reasons... I am speaking only for results: i do not see any disadvantage to takign 30g a day. If it is a waste it really does not matter because the shit is dirt cheap if you buy it in bulk. I'd rather overdose knowing that my body can't use it all rather than not the maximum amount my body can use. I'm looking for every edge I can as long as it isn't too dangerous. And i do not think creatine is even though so many of you disagree...

bigjosh
05-08-2003, 11:40 AM
How would taking less creatine produce more gains???

It's not like i'm substituting it for meat or other food in my day. 30g of creatine doesn't put a dent in my stomach especially when taken in small increments throughout the day. I'm consuming over 5,000 calories ED