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gymrat
05-07-2003, 08:49 AM
I want to know if anyone does this. I take my fina shots eod. It's a ml at a time. Well I get pissed because I load up a ml and seem to lose .25 of it in the needle after I'm finished injecting.

Does anyone load up like .25 ml of sterile oil and then the ml of fina? this way you can actually inject a whole ml of the fina and the little amount that's left in the needle is just plain oil. And even if you get a little in you it doesn't matter.

WeirdAl
05-07-2003, 09:09 AM
I'm planning on doing that with b12 for my next cycle

gymrat
05-07-2003, 09:12 AM
ah, even more interesting. But you'd be obviously loading more that .25ml that will probably get held back in the needle.

WeirdAl
05-07-2003, 09:15 AM
I think basskiller posted several months ago that .1 ml was waisted (lost in the pin) on every injection... But I wouldn't be as concerned with drawing a little extra b12, and leaving a little of that in the pin, compared with the gear. I also draw a little air at the end (.1 to .2 cc), and try and push all the oil out as well (always aspirate!).

gymrat
05-07-2003, 09:18 AM
with the two shots of fina I did this week, it looked like I lost more than just .1 ml. I was so pissed, I tried pushing on the plunger so hard to get the rest. I would say I was unable to get about .2 ml's. Next time I'm going to load .25ml sterile oil first and then the fina.

WeirdAl
05-07-2003, 09:19 AM
It certainly might vary by pin... Sounds like a good plan - let us know how it goes!

DecaDent*
05-07-2003, 09:23 AM
Gymrat,won't the 2 oils just mix together when you load'em? Why not just load 1.1 mls of the good stuff?

gymrat
05-07-2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by DecaDent*
Gymrat,won't the 2 oils just mix together when you load'em? Why not just load 1.1 mls of the good stuff?

shit, you're right Deca. Because that sterile oil is what was used to make the fina, the have the same density and will have an affinity to mix. I will just load more of the fina. Or maybe try the B12 trick. If two different types of oils are used they don't mix easily unless you shake the syringe. Sort of like if you loaded cyp and eq in the same syringe.

bigshug
05-07-2003, 09:51 AM
I'm gonna do Al's b-12 trick as well......I HATE to lose any gear, no matter what the quantity

elemental
05-07-2003, 10:33 AM
i usually just try to get the rest out in my mouth. at least in my head its not going to waste. tastes like crap though

ichabodcrane
05-07-2003, 11:29 AM
Sorry to but in bros, but Deca is right. Mixing the fina with another oil will just allow the two to become homogenous mixture and will only increase the volume of the solution. You will still be left with lost fina. You could try using a less dense/viscous substance, like said, possibly b-12 which may float to the top when you have the needle straight up and down. You could do a thigh inject pretty easily with the needle straight up. I haven't tried it, but it does sound feasable. Also, if you have access to tuberculin syringes or even insulin syringes (you can do great sight injects, if body fat is low enough) which will allow for almost no loss. There is also the new medsaver syringe:
http://www.daigger.com/catalog/product?sessionid=1050507850859&deptId=Syringes&prodId=2350A
which eliminates waste. Not available at this site yet, but soon. I am sure you could find them elsewhere. Kinda pricy, but to some may be worth it.
Also, some have tried leaving air in the syringe (again this only works if the needle is straight up and down) and injecting until the air pushes out the last drop. Be careful not to inject too much air though. A little is perfectly fine though. Just be sure to aspirate.

Choke03
05-07-2003, 11:45 AM
We are a bunch of greedy bastards, huh.The lower my bottle gets to empty the more that little bit left in the syringe bothers me.

elemental
05-07-2003, 11:48 AM
i here ya choke. i have about 3 weeks left w/my prop and i'm panicking already

gymrat
05-07-2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Choke03
We are a bunch of greedy bastards, huh.The lower my bottle gets to empty the more that little bit left in the syringe bothers me.

hell yeah. I get irritated when I pull out the syringe and look to see how much was left in the needle. Pisses me off.

jaywooly
05-07-2003, 03:34 PM
What I do...(1.5 mls)

I just pull out 1.5 (maybe a hair more) then pull it out of the bottle. I pull a little air in, then when I switch needles, the loss is minimal.

Badgermoon
05-07-2003, 04:02 PM
There is some lost oil in every injection, but I believe the syringes account for that in the measurement gradeints. They're made to administer an accurate amount of medicine or whatever. So at least the dose is accurate (I believe) just that you lose a little.

Gear101*
05-08-2003, 10:29 AM
i like to stab myself like i'm tring to kill a wild animal.. with a 16g 2inch 6ml dart.. and i hit myself about 15-20time in the same spot them push as hard as i can on the plunger.. works every time..

Gear101*
05-08-2003, 10:30 AM
what you guys are taking about is the air lock injection.. put .25ml of air into the jacket and push it up until you see it in the end of the jacket and first part of the needle..

elemental
05-08-2003, 10:50 AM
[QUOTE]i like to stab myself like i'm tring to kill a wild animal.. with a 16g 2inch 6ml dart.. and i hit myself about 15-20time in the same spot them push as hard as i can on the plunger.. works every time..

gear, you got some problems. you might want to get that head examined.lol

gymrat
05-08-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Gear101*
i like to stab myself like i'm tring to kill a wild animal.. with a 16g 2inch 6ml dart.. and i hit myself about 15-20time in the same spot them push as hard as i can on the plunger.. works every time..


sheesh, that would leave a gunshot wound..lol

Badgermoon
05-08-2003, 11:36 AM
Works for what? Amputating a limb?

WeirdAl
05-08-2003, 12:48 PM
Works for turning your muscle into hamburger, lol

jaywooly
05-08-2003, 03:10 PM
Mmm, hamburgers...

bigshug
05-09-2003, 01:20 AM
GEAR is a whole different breed of bodybuilder.......

joeyc
05-09-2003, 10:26 PM
A little air in the hub works great for me.
I usually bleed a little after each injection so I worry more about the loss of juice that comes out with the blood.

bigshug
05-10-2003, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by joeyc
A little air in the hub works great for me.
I usually bleed a little after each injection so I worry more about the loss of juice that comes out with the blood.

I'm sure you do this already, but I usually have an alcohol swab half on my skin and half on the pin so that as soon as the pin leaves my body, I already have a swab there to apply direct pressure to ensure that blood loss is minimal......I also leave the pin in for 5 seconds or so after injecting to make sure the most of the gear stays in there

joeyc
05-10-2003, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by bigshug
I'm sure you do this already, but I usually have an alcohol swab half on my skin and half on the pin so that as soon as the pin leaves my body, I already have a swab there to apply direct pressure to ensure that blood loss is minimal......I also leave the pin in for 5 seconds or so after injecting to make sure the most of the gear stays in there

Yea, I do that with the towel I have the soap on. I could try leaving the pin in for a while longer..........Good tip!

footballcat
05-10-2003, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by jaywooly
What I do...(1.5 mls)

I just pull out 1.5 (maybe a hair more) then pull it out of the bottle. I pull a little air in, then when I switch needles, the loss is minimal.


This is what i do, i only lose whats in the needle. I just draw more fina in there then .75 i mean its a cheap A/S so if i waste .1ml is all good, its all right