r3IFG-1 -- Anybody UNHAPPY ?

[clubtest]

In reading through the comments, it seems almost everyone gets a "pump", some have nausea or other problems and some claim great results. Is there anybody who has tried it and quit or found it didn't work for them.

[crankin'stein]

Bump for some answers.

Sorry I haven't tried IGF yet.

[sarcoplasm]

IGF by itself did nothing (or little) for me. I would never use it again without other compounds. I think the same can be said for HGH.
Sarcoplasm

[sweatmachine]

I reached my all time highest weight on the stuff.

[clubtest]

I am about to enter into a cycle with some test, trembolone. and cytomel. Will post my results as I did the exact cycle before WITHOUT the IGF.

[proud13]

IGF causes naseau from a too high dosage and b/c the majority of the IGF receptors are *unfortunately found in the GI tract.

If you keep the dosages low you will have better *muscle gains than you would if you were using HGH b/c IGF is 10 x stronger. Think about it this way 1 I.U of HGH is equivalent to 4-6 mcg of IGF and if you're taking 40mcg a day (20mcg am/pm) then you're getting roughly the equivalent of 6-10 I.U.'s of HGH a day which is a good amount esp for 30 days.

Eat well, keep dosages low, use AAS while on the IGF, train your ass off and sleep. Those are the key ingredients for growth.

Even when I went off everything for the 12 wks b/c of ER visit, with no training, eating like shit and no supplements I kept alot of my size which means it was not water weight and instead new muscle growth. Now I'm back in the gym clean and I have good size....Next week I start.....deca, cyp, dbol, letrozole, propecia, IGF, IL-15 and myogro. Uh-oh!!!!

[supersport]

Proud 13-enlighten us a little on the IL-15. Homonunculus wrote an interesting post about it, and I am sure there are many here that would like to hear what you have to say about it. I read you are part of a research team (or something to that effect) at a university in one of your posts. Alright bro-no holding back (LOL!)
-spill your guts for us man!!!!

[proud13]

I posted a bunch of information on all kinds of cytokines and growth factors in another post supersport. I'll find it and post a link to it for you. We have many options in our future to push the boundaries of what our genetics limit us to and with knowledge and experimentation there will be thousands of Ronnie Colemans in 20 years.

[proud13]

Look under MyoGro in MuscleChemistry discussion. I posted a bunch of interesting links to studies and information for everyone.

[Koevoet]

Originally posted by proud13
IGF causes naseau from a too high dosage and b/c the majority of the IGF receptors are *unfortunately found in the GI tract.

If you keep the dosages low you will have better *muscle gains than you would if you were using HGH b/c IGF is 10 x stronger. Think about it this way 1 I.U of HGH is equivalent to 4-6 mcg of IGF and if you're taking 40mcg a day (20mcg am/pm) then you're getting roughly the equivalent of 6-10 I.U.'s of HGH a day which is a good amount esp for 30 days.

Eat well, keep dosages low, use AAS while on the IGF, train your ass off and sleep. Those are the key ingredients for growth.

Even when I went off everything for the 12 wks b/c of ER visit, with no training, eating like shit and no supplements I kept alot of my size which means it was not water weight and instead new muscle growth. Now I'm back in the gym clean and I have good size....Next week I start.....deca, cyp, dbol, letrozole, propecia, IGF, IL-15 and myogro. Uh-oh!!!!

IL-15? How much how often? The best price I could find was just over 2K for 1mg.

[proud13]

That's alot pm me and I'll help you out. Not too sure of dosages on IL-15 yet though. I need to try and find dosages given to test subjects so I can translate that into a human dosage.

[Koevoet]

Originally posted by proud13
That's alot pm me and I'll help you out. Not too sure of dosages on IL-15 yet though. I need to try and find dosages given to test subjects so I can translate that into a human dosage.

bro, PM's full. I tried sending you a email. You can get me @
koevoet @ cyber - rights . net

[proud13]

pm me again I cleaned it out but replied to your email and forgot to help ya' out...

[spoofy]

Originally posted by sarcoplasm
IGF by itself did nothing (or little) for me. I would never use it again without other compounds. I think the same can be said for HGH.
Sarcoplasm


why use it if you have to use it with other compounds to get it to work?

to be honest if i am paying that much for something it should at least do something on its own.

[sarcoplasm]

Well to answer your question some things work best or only in synergy with other "factors" included. I'm told GH is like this , it will do little to produce mucles mass on it's own, so it is best used with aas/insulin.
Out of those that are raving about IGF-1 I think few if any are using it ALONE.
If IGF was a major mass builder on it'd OWN it wuld be invaluable as a bridging compound as it does not affect the HPTA. One could remain anabolic both on and off cycle. I don't know if this is the case though.
Sarcoplasm

[FIBER]

$$$$$ that's about all i can say!! I like some others got a really good pump especially on chest days. I injected into each bi on alt days for 4 wks. noticed also some fat lose. however, over all results weren't incredible for the price of the one ml. My bud has had great luck though cycling one month Igf-1 and one month insulin. He also made the suggestion that it needs to be used with other compounds like prop to relly notice results but I haven't convinced myself to drop the cash on another cycle of the stuff.

[Androedu]

Hey proud13,
In which website can I buy MyoGro?I want to inject 3 ml of MyoGro in my veins everyday,30 days a month!Can I inject MyoGro in my veins?

[saudades]

The only thing I'm unhappy with is that my body seems to react to the BA in the product. My skin is bruised from underneath (showing localized yellow and a couple of darker bruises on my smaller muscles, a.k.a. biceps and triceps (I can take a picture and attach it later if anyone wants to see). Apparently the extended soreness in those muscles was a little more than I thought. My legs seems to have no problem with it. It isn't jaundice because I'm not taking anything else except my regular HRT injection of test cyp (which I've been on for over five years), and nothing else is yellow (like my eyes) and there are no other symptoms.

I have made some pretty good gains with IGF I think.

[saudades]

One more thing I'm a little unhappy with is that I seem to be losing weight with the IGF. I'm eating more than I was (I think), yet still I've lost a total of five pounds now in the two weeks I've been on IGF--down to 190. I look more muscular and possibly leaner when I look in the mirror, so I think I've gained muscle, but the scale says I've lost weight. Did I lose fat or am I also losing a bit of muscle too? I'm doing my best to eat, but maybe I'm just not getting the diet part under control, or my body is not reacting normally to the IGF.

[Cannons]

Originally posted by tonykemp
One more thing I'm a little unhappy with is that I seem to be losing weight with the IGF. I'm eating more than I was (I think), yet still I've lost a total of five pounds now in the two weeks I've been on IGF--down to 190. I look more muscular and possibly leaner when I look in the mirror, so I think I've gained muscle, but the scale says I've lost weight. Did I lose fat or am I also losing a bit of muscle too? I'm doing my best to eat, but maybe I'm just not getting the diet part under control, or my body is not reacting normally to the IGF.

Thats why I don't like getting on the scale too much bro, it fucks with your mind. Let the mirror do the talking. If you look more muscular and leaner, then you are. You'd be suprised how much fat and water you were probably holding, just be happy that the weight you are now is "quality" weight! I'm a big advocate of using the mirror instead of the scales to judge progress!!

[saudades]

An update on the bruising...It was apparently caused by my use of policosanol (which thins the blood) during my use of IGF. The BA in the IGF caused localized soreness, and since any med or supplement that thins the blood can change or disrupt platelet function in the blood in some way, that caused my arm to bruise, especially after I worked out. I've stopped using policosanol for now and the bruising has been slowly going away, even while still on IGF.

[Archaic]

Proud13: Why would you take propecia with deca in the same cycle?

[plasma]

I liked it very much, except for the cost. Expensive stuff and I'm a cheap ass, I make most my own shit. To me, not worth the $$$, unless you're rich or something. I went up to 50mcg/day, ate like horse and got leaner evey day. It was amazing, viens popping in the side of my ass & face crazy shit like that. I'd like to compare it to GH some day.

[JonnyO]

I have been off cycle for 4 weeks and began LR3 2 weeks ago. I have acutally put on 3 pounds when I usually lose 6-8lbs when I come off a cycle with proper PCT and all. So I am happy so far. I got carpal tunnel in my L wrist and all very sleepy and am alot hungrier than usual.

[Cannons]

I am at day 7 with minimal results. I thought something was happening when I first started but it turned out to be placebo effect, my own mind. I am in PCT now and started taking the IGF one week before PCT. I'm taking 60mcg per day with .5ml of B12. I'm not really that hungry, I'm not noticing any kind of pumps, I'm not noticiing any body changes whatsoever. All that I am noticing is lost water weight and fat weight which usually happens to me during PCT, nothing unusual. I am using MR brand, I will be getting some MC brand soon, and hope that maybe its the quality or something. Meanwhile I'm boosting my dose up to 80mcg. If it takes 80mcg to get results, I won't be doing this too often because one month supply of that is almost as much as a kit of GH. Not worth it IMO, so far...

[Presser]

damn cannons, you should have went with our stuff, bro!! Most everyone is getting quality results from what I am reading here each day, sory your brand isnt up to par

also you will have a pm from me in about 2 minutes

[Cannons]

YEAH NO SHIT!! IP already beat me senseless for going with MR! LOL!! Trust me, the delivery and communication process was just as painful as not getting any results from the product!! Anyway, got your PM, and hit ya back proper like!! Thanks bro!

[Presser]

;)

[mango]

i tried r3igf1 from MR and was VERY unhappy with it... i would have been more happy buying a $200 gumball