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Texas_Ranger
03-18-2002, 11:54 AM
Guys, I'm looking for some advice. I've been researching for a year and have heard Conservative (Test@250mgs & EQ/Deca@300mgs) and Extreme recommendations(Test@1000-750mgs, EQ/Deca@400mgs, and 40mgs a day). I'm definitely not going that route because I know I don't need it. My goal is to retain 15-20lbs of Lean, Quality with low water retention post cycle without going overboard with doses. I have access to all the basics(Test Enanthate, EQ, Deca, Dbol, Arimidex, Clomid, Nolvadex, etc...). Here are my stats- I'm 28 years old, 6'4" 245-250lbs with 9-10% bodyfat. I've been working out for 9 years, the last 3 religiously.  I'm looking for something simple, yet VERY effective. So, what would you recommend? Thanks for your help!!!

tiny
03-18-2002, 12:04 PM
500mg test ew, with arimidex.. clomid post cycle and nolva just in case..
simple yet effective .. gotta love test...

tiny

Gear101*
03-18-2002, 12:07 PM
hey bro texas ranger????

tiny
03-18-2002, 12:09 PM
one riot one ranger .. :D

Texas_Ranger
03-18-2002, 12:12 PM
Thanks for the advice, Tiny! How's it going, Gear 101? Anymore opinions, fellas???

BStrongBwell*
03-18-2002, 12:14 PM
sounds like you have a really nice base to work from.  I'd agree with TIny on the 500test, but I'd add either the EQ or the deca at 400.  Forget the dbol, IMO it's not worth the sides, especially if you're subject to bloating.  I like the EQ as a personal fav.

Gear101*
03-18-2002, 12:15 PM
you could take tiny's 500mg of test and drop in some deca at 400mg.. always want to run a little less deca that test.. no deca dick that way and if you got the cash winny @50mg ed for the last 5 weeks of your cycle would be cool..

are you a texas ranger??

tiny
03-18-2002, 12:22 PM
i don't see the reason for stacking test @ 500mg ew with anything else this beeing he's first cycle and all ... maybe winny towards the end.. but i really think test only will be more then enough...

tiny

NAPALM1
03-18-2002, 02:28 PM
The 500mg test and 400mg deca or Eq is usually a good place to start bro. You might think about adding 30mg of Dbol for the first 4 weeks to get it kicked off also. It will add some immediate strength and a little fluid into your muscles. Your diet is going to be the most important thing in the success of your cycle though. So be sure to spend as much time, if not more, planning your meals as you did planning your cycle. Diet is 75% of BBing!!! Later

Texas_Ranger
03-18-2002, 06:35 PM
Thanks for replying, fellas! I feel at home already!! :D Gear 101, no bro I'm not a Ranger. I just like the handle.(LOL!) Napalm1, I have a diet plan that comes out to 6,000-6,500 calories and 450-500 grams of Protein a day spread over 7-8 meals and shakes. I plan on using 1.5mg of Pizotifen a day to REALLY increase my appetite through out the cycle. It'll also help with getting enough ZZZ's.

Texas_Ranger
03-18-2002, 06:49 PM
Which one looks better? 1)Test Enanthate@500mgs for 10 weeks? Or 2)Test Enanthate@500mgs for 10 weeks and EQ@400mgs for 9 weeks? Is the Dbol REALLY necessary for a FIRST cycle? I'm hoping to maintain 20lbs of Quality Muscle post cycle, which will be based MORE on diet, than gear. What do you think?

tiny
03-18-2002, 07:07 PM
i'll take number to for a 100 alex .. :)  ..no need for dbol..

winnie
03-18-2002, 07:20 PM
I would stay away from the dbol, and run your test @ 500mg EW, and then run winny @ 50mg EW for the last 4-5 weeks.  Then run amridex @ .25 mg EOD.

wilknights
03-18-2002, 07:21 PM
i think youre big enough as it is Ranger, unless youre lying about your BF..... maybe steroids arent a good idea....we dont need 6'4'' 250lbs guys roid raging on the streets......

Texas_Ranger
03-18-2002, 11:49 PM
Wilknights, nah man my bodyfat's accurate. I had it done by a personal trainer at the gym last week. Winnie, I like your idea. Maybe, I'll try it next cycle when I want to drop a little bodyfat. I want to commit myself to gaining as much as I possible can, so I can maintain 20lbs post cycle. Even though, the Test/Deca combo will help me gain a little more mass,  it will also make me hold more water than I care to. The Test/EQ cycle is for me, the EQ will help with my appetite while keeping me hard and vascular. What more could you ask for??

Benchboy55
03-19-2002, 12:08 AM
Hye bro i am about the same size as you but shorter.. i am about to start my first cycle next week and this is how it goes.... 1000mg omndren250 a week.. 35 mg d-bol ed... with 1mg liquidex eod and clomid post cycle..... very simple but very effective i think.

Texas_Ranger
03-19-2002, 11:34 AM
Whew!! Benchboy, that seems like ALOT of gear for a FIRST cycle? I think I'll go to the conservative route and try the Test/EQ combo for my first cycle. Rethink your cycle, brother. You can add more later.

tiny
03-19-2002, 11:52 AM
yah .. i'd do what ranger says ... wtf you need 1 gram of test for ... ???

tiny

Texas_Ranger
03-19-2002, 07:03 PM
I think I'll go ahead and stick with the Test Enanthate@500mgs(Testoviron) and EQ@400mgs(Quality Vet) combo for my first cycle. After reading Dan Duchaine's article, this should be more than enough to reach my goal of retaining 15-20lbs post cycle. Plus, the EQ will keep me hard and vascular while gaining. It'll also give me a killer appetite!! There's 2 guys from another board that gained over 30lbs doing this combo their first time out. With none of the bloating  and sexual side effects that's associated with Deca. :(

Texas_Ranger
03-22-2002, 01:40 AM
Thanks guys for looking out!!!

winnie
03-22-2002, 01:52 AM
Bro...that cycle you're going to enjoy!!!

Keep us updated on your progess!!

ENJOY!!!... :D

nevertapmma666
01-28-2008, 09:48 PM
dont take the d-bol during the cycle. take 5-10 mg daily after cycle to not lose any size or strength. do this for about 8 weeks.

Get_Swole
01-28-2008, 09:53 PM
dont take the d-bol during the cycle. take 5-10 mg daily after cycle to not lose any size or strength. do this for about 8 weeks.
why would you do this when you are working hard and using pct to get your natural test levels etc back into range and your just continuing to negate the clomid hcg etc.??

krat7260
01-29-2008, 12:34 PM
why would you do this when you are working hard and using pct to get your natural test levels etc back into range and your just continuing to negate the clomid hcg etc.??

Exactly.... from what I've read, this type of bridging technique never lets your body return to homeostasis. I love when guys walk around saying they are off, when they are actually just bridging with 1 or more substances. Often times these jokers are using as much off, as a novice/intermediate would use on. WTF? Might as well just stay on year round. Not a very wise idea, IMO, but who are they kidding. In the end, it's a one way ticket to shutting yourself down permanently. And for what.... unless your're making millions by staying on, why would someone even consider this?

vertigorocks
01-29-2008, 12:55 PM
That is terrible advice bro, you should never use dbol AFTER you finish a cycle. Where are you getting this info, GS and krat are totally right, whats the point? TO make sure you keep your gains after a cycle you make sure you work your ass off and eat A LOT and take either you PCT materials, creatine, etc.

Also, I can almost guarentte that this guy is long gone, this is from 6 years ago.

tool
01-29-2008, 01:05 PM
THAT TECH IS WRONG. You do not want to take d-bol at the end of any type cycle. There is a bridging system that seems to work well with d-bol in the beginning of a cycle. I'll Try to explaine it to the best of my knowledge. First, your natural test levels are highest in the first hour or 2 after you first wake up in the morning. So you would wait to take the d-bol around that time(2HOURS AFTER YOU WAKE UP). Say after youve gotten in the shower and eaten breakfast, That should be sufficiant enuff time to make the bridge work. But at the end of a cycle . The answer is deffinitly DO NOT DO IT.While taking A.S. your natural test levels are supressed enough that you need something like clomid or hcg to get your natural levels back up so you wont get that dreaded steroid crash.Its my belieif that Nolvadex should be taken throughout the whole cycle no matter what substance your using. It helps to keep the bloat down and premotes a harder more defined muscle appearence. Start the Clomid 2 weeks after a long acting ester such as test enanthate is injected. Some bodybuilders even chose to use Clomid through out their entire cycle and then ad hcg the same time you would the clomid(2 weeks after last shot). But d-bol at the end of a cycle, no way.