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jusso
04-02-2002, 01:24 PM
Whats up guys, this is my first cycle.  I started Deca about 3 weeks ago at 300mg every 5 days.  I am starting to see signs of gyno (itchy nips, swelling slightly) so i am going to be doing some winny today, drinking 25 mg EOD, to add to my cycle for 6 weeks because i heard it stops the progesterone that gives you deca gyno.  Also, i have liquidex so i was going to stack Enenthanate in there at a low dose, like 200-250mg a week and take .5 mg of liquidex a day with it.  Is this a good first cycle or is it too much?  Will Winny take care of Gyno induced by Deca?  Any help here would be really good guys, thanx

Current Stats:
5'10
180 lbs
10-12% body fat
Bench: Over 300
Squat: Over 400
19 yrs old

mbstrong
04-02-2002, 01:45 PM
You should of been taking the liquidex the whole time.  You need to start taking nolvadex.  Liquidex only blocks it but if you are already seeing signs and you just started taking the liquidex then you need to get nolvadex.  Nolvadex fights for control over the receptors.

jusso
04-02-2002, 01:55 PM
I heard you arent supposed to take nolvadex and liquidex together thats why i didnt get any nolvadex.  I'm starting liquidex on thursday when i get it so right now i'm not on any anti-e's because my source never got me the nolvadex at the beginning of my cycle and ive been trying to get it ever since.  How does the rest of my cycle look?  I am thinking about cutting out the enenthanate and saving it for september or something.

wasted
04-02-2002, 02:00 PM
never start a cycle unless you have everthing including
anti-es ...i think u should up the test 250mg isnt that much try 500mg ..i also would have started the deca and test and the same time ...do you have clomid for post cycle ???

jusso
04-02-2002, 02:02 PM
I need both the Clomid and Nolvadex but Clomid i know i can get, its the Nolvadex im having a hard time with.

mbstrong
04-02-2002, 02:40 PM
You can take both liquidex and nolvadex at the same time.  They both work differently.

winnie
04-02-2002, 04:10 PM
winny has been known to slow down gyno in people that are proned to it, but it will not stop it immediately.  So grab some nolvadex!!

Good Luck.

BStrongBwell*
04-02-2002, 04:44 PM
I doubt you have progesterone gyno on that low of a dose of deca.  I know everyone is different, but I've never heard of anyone getting it on that doseage.  If you were up in the 600+ range, I might think differently.  If you don't have nolva, keep taking the arimidex at .25/day.  Like MB said, it won't prevent the existing estrogen from stimulating fat storage in the nips, but that should only be a problem for a few days once you are on the arimidex.  Besides, it takes more than a few days of gyno smptoms to create any permanent tissue.  I went out of town for a week once and forgot my arimidex and nolvadex once.  THAT SUCKED--I had really itchy, swollen nips.  When I came back, I hit the nolva/arim again, and the swelling and itching went away after a few days.  So, I would say 1) have some nolvadex on hand for the future, and 2) for now, hit the arim at .25/day to get the estrogen back in line within a few days.  GOod luck, and let us know what happens.

jusso
04-02-2002, 06:30 PM
Thanx, I'm going to do that starting tommorow.  One more question, is it too late for me to start the Test Enanthenate if im in my 4th week?