Drinking and Juicing...

gynojuicer

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wut up guyz... i just started my cutting cycle about a week ago, stacking eq and winny.  I know winny is harsh on the liver but i have been drinking on the weekends anyway.  I know i shouldnt be but i like to party... im sure a lot of u guyz do too, Does anybody know if i keep drinking im gonna piss blood or have liver failure? ???  <!--emo&FF--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bored.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='FF'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&OL--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='OL'><!--endemo-->  <.
 
Relax Bro!

I´ve done about 4 major cykels, and thru them all, i allways PARTIED and never had a problem with my liver,.. only with my training the next day or so. *LOL*
 
2 major mistakes...If your gonna get ripped or lean you need discipline..Drinking while on a/s is a bad idea..I know we all do it but I take a liver protectant and I do no more 17aas,,Party and have fun just keep the drinking in moderation..Take care of your liver my freind trust me on that one..i am an expert on the big"uh oh" at the drs office on my liver..
 
bro it's only 10 to 14 weeks.. train hard, eat right, sleep, and don't drink.. you'll like the resalts better..
 
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a big bump for that!!
 
Its all in how your body responds. Everyone is different. Personally i cannot be that strict, i also party during my cycles and it never hinders my gains, my diet isnt nearly as strict as many others either. But i still get good gains and im happy with my own progress. Find what works for you.
 
<!--QuoteBegin--bagmanddk+April 23 2002,05:04--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bagmanddk @ April 23 2002,05:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Relax Bro!

I´ve done about 4 major cykels, and thru them all, i allways PARTIED and never had a problem with my liver,.. only with my training the next day or so. *LOL*[/quote]
Hey guys, there's no way to know if your fucking up your liver permanently until it's too late.  You can't say you drank and took 17aa orals with no problem, because it is years later that the problem is noticeable.  Trust me, if you are taking 17aa orals and drinking more than just a few drinks daily, you are cutting your lifespan short---precautions like milk thistle or not!  

I've know 4 people that have died from liver related issues.  One got cancer, and the other three of them USED to drink alot but ended up quitting as they got older.  One of the drinkers was an outright alcoholic, so that's no big surprise, but the other two just partied alot.  Then in their early 50's, symptoms of liver failure started to show up.  The two that just used to party alot hadn't been drinking in years, but that didn't matter.  They both went on donor lists for transplants.  The one guy got one and lived, the other didn't and died.  The guy that got a transplant was told never to touch another drop of alcohol.  He had a glass of champaign on new years once, and went into liver failure within a few days.  He died a few months later.

The liver gets pretty beat up from just life in general.  Every time you ingest bacteria, preservitives, pesticides, or any other chemical that's not naturally found in the body, the liver plays chemist and breaks it down into harmless ingredients and gets rid of it.  Throw AAS into the mix and you ARE stressing the liver.  The damage from AAS is mostly controllable/repairable if you take all the precautions.  But precautions don't give you the protection to do stupid shit like taking several orals simultaneously or drinking heavily while you're on 17aa's.  If you compete, then the risks of taking several orals at once are justified as a risk of the business you are in.  Outside of that, I can't imagine damaging one of the most valuable organs in my body just for partying's sake.   I'm not talking about anyone who has a beer or glass of wine here and there.  hell, I drink too, but not while taking 17aa's and only in moderation while on any cycle.

SOrry if it sounds like I'm preaching...but I hang around here becuase I do sincerely care about people who participate in this sport.  I've studied the liver in great depth and I'm not talking a bunch of shit here.  So if you care about living to be old enough to enjoy retirement, give your liver a break.  Besides, drinking heavily isn't helping that physique you train so hard to have and keep either!
 
I dont take orals, and if i did i guess i wouldnt drink when on them, but i do drink during my cycles, i just make sure i drink lots of water and take a ton of ala. I know some disagree but to each his own.
 
I totally agree with you bstrong, that was well said.  When I cycle for like 10 weeks I might drink 6 times.  I'm not trying to die young.  I know guy's that take anavar and winny at the same time.  Do what you want but you will pay in the end.
 
Honestly, I don't want to live to be 100 and watch myself fall apart and lose my senses.  I also don't want to die in my 50-60's either.  I'd like to look good and be strong for the life I do have, and hope I live into my 80's.  I lead a lifestyle now that will get me to that point.
 
Thanx a lot bros, i guess its going to be long 12 weeks of strict dieting, or ill just have to drink g instead... Has anyone heard much about this drug.. Many ppl told me it promotes relaxation in the muscles so they can repair quicker...But many other ppl take it to get fucked up..So is it really that bad for you???
Another thing is Ive been on eq and winny for about a week and half and i gained 8lbs and went up in strength like crazy..Im not complaining about this but could the weight i gained be water or just good gains..i know none of these produce estrogen to retain water but has this happened to anyone else???
 
Do you think ALA would help if you took it before drinking beer?
 
Here is the info on GHB. I took it once and it is sort of like being drunk. Loss of inhibitions etc.  I talked to a dealer though and he said to stay away from it. People are making it in their bath tubs and you never know what is in the shit. I also read in some places not to mix it with any other depressants like alcohol or weed.

GHB, or gamma-hydroxybutyrate is a naturally occurring metabolite and precursor to GABA (gamma-aminobutyrate). GHB was a widely available over-the-counter supplement until it was banned by the FDA in 1990. The substance has many beneficial effects, but it is typically used by bodybuilders and athletes because it can significantly raise growth hormone levels. Unfortunately, the increase in GH levels is also accompanied by an increase in levels of prolactin. The increase in prolactin counteracts many of the positive effects of an elevated GH level. This probably explains why many athletes experience very little as far as muscle growth with the use of GHB. Several athletes using GHB report an increase in lean body mass and strength. Many users don't experience any muscle or strength increase, but do feel GHB help to accelerate fat loss.

Besides the increase in growth hormone, there are many other positive effects of GHB that may prove beneficial to athletes. First, GHB is an excellent sleeping aid. A small dosage will induce a state of relaxation, euphoria, and drowsiness. An even higher dosage will intensify the effect and help the user fall asleep quickly. GHB aids in REM and slow-wave sleep, and unlike other popular sleep aids, GHB will not interrupt any stages of the natural sleep pattern. This is crucial in achieving a complete session of sleep necessary for recuperation and muscle recovery. One problem with GHB-induced sleep is that some people tend to wake up 3-4 hours later when the GHB has worn off. This effect is probably due to the fact that GHB will temporarily inhibit the release of dopamine in the brain, and at the same time increase dopamine storage. When the GHB wears off, there will be a sudden increase in dopamine release and this is what may cause some people to wake up in the middle of the night. This is more likely to happen when a high dosage of GHB is used. Therefore, the dosage of GHB used to induce sleep should be lowered. Another way to combat this effect is simply by taking a second dosage upon wakening to allow for another 3-4 hours of sleep. It is interesting to note that this increase in dopamine release is also the reason why so many people report feelings of improved well-being and alertness the next day after a night of GHB-induced sleep.

GHB induces a state of euphoria, relaxation, and sensuality along with a lowering of anxiety and inhibition. It also exhibits prosexual effects by improving tactility (sense of touch), enhancing erectile capacity in men, and increasing the intensity of orgasm. For these reasons, GHB has become a very popular recreational drug. It has become even more popular among athletes because unlike other recreational drugs, GHB will not hinder athletic performance. GHB is used by many athletes as a substitute for alcohol because it does not cause a hangover the following day. GHB is also very effective in treating the withdrawal symptoms of alcoholism.

Now that GHB has been banned by the FDA, an athlete only has a few options if he want to obtain GHB. First, he can buy it on the black market. This has several disadvantages. To begin with, much of the stuff on the black market is made by underground chemists using cheap materials that may contain harmful impurities. Also, it is difficult to determine the concentration since most GHB sold on the black market is dissolved in water. The concentration will often vary and this will make it hard to accurately determine a dosage. A second option would be to mail order the GHB from a foreign pharmacy. This is risky because US Customs may seize the order. There may also be legal consequences to buying GHB. GHB is a controlled substance and many states are trying to make it a scheduled drug. Some states are even trying to make it a schedule I drug. The last option left to the athlete is to make the GHB himself. The manufacture of GHB is illegal in the United States, but many people choose to do it anyway. There are several different approaches for synthesizing GHB available over the internet. Some are good and some are bad. The syntheses of GHB is certainly not difficult, but it is definitely not as easy as mixing some NaOH with gamma butyrolactone in a pot and allowing it to cook in the oven for a couple of hours. The type of procedure will produce some GHB, but the yield will be very poor. Chances are there will also be a lot of unreacted chemicals. Also, depending on the pH, it could be dangerous to ingest. Many of the GHB procedures with good yields may be difficult to perform for the average person that has very little knowledge of chemistry.
 
Thanx for da info MacGyver, Wish they still sold it in stores... I used to work at a vitamin shop couple of yrs ago and remember selling it. Didnt think much of it as a dangerous drug than, I think im gonna try it as a supplement as well as a recreational drug...The only thing is how would u know if your getting a pure form of it...
 
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