Help me.  I can not stand this.

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I know I should not get on the scale but I have been.  It is killing me.  I started my cycle at 152lbs.  Got up to around 180lbs.  I took my clomid correctly and everything.  I am still eating a ton and getting plenty of rest.  I took a week off training for the first week of clomid.  My strength has not gone down.  The thing is my weight is dropping all the time.  Last week was my last week of clomid.  My nuts are back to normal (atleast they look normal), I dont know if they are working right.   I am down to 164lbs now.  I have been doing everything by the book.  If anything I am eating more protien than I need too.  Before long I am going to be back to where I started.  If this keeps up I am going to say fuck it and get back on and not wait the 10 weeks.  Help me.  What have I done wrong.
 
I have been loosing a pound almost everyday.  The water should be gone.  I was taking liquidex during the cycle and still am. The cycle ended 5 weeks ago.  Also it seems like when I was on stacker 2 I did not loose weight.  I have heard ECA helps preserve muscle but dont know for sure.  Maybe I will get back on it.  If I loose all the weight I just dont think it is worth it to get off.  I just expected to keep more than this.  At this rate I will weigh the exact same in a week and a half as what I did before I started.
 
You may have done nothing wrong. Hopefully your wieght is going to stabalize at the new 164 lb base. That's still an increase of around 8% lean muscle mass and not a bad gain. If you had started at 200# you'd be holding 216 post cycle,again not bad numbers if we're talking quality gains,and it sounds like you made some quality gains because you said your strength has held up post cycle. It's hard for your body to adjust to carrying and keeping much more extra muscle mass than that in a short time period.
If you start at the new 164# baseline you should hit close to 180 in keepable gains next cycle. If you keep losing one idea would be to add a late "bridge" of Anavar or Primo until next cycle ,or consider adding Anavar/Primo post cycle next go around in an effort to help your body adjust to and keep most of your gains.
 
Deca - Does anvar or primo shut down your own test.  I have heard that there is a steroid that helps you after your cycle and does not shut down your test but I dont remember the name. I have never thought of it as a percentage thing but that makes a lot of sense.

Pumpdog - I am on 10g of creatine and 30g of glutamine ED.  Is that enough.  I am also taking tribulus and vitamin.
 
Anavar and Primo are considered less androgenic than most other AAS so they have less impact on yout HPTA axis,less likely to affect your test levels. Another way to look at it is drugs like Anavar have a higher Anabolic to Androgenic ratio.
 
I have to dissagree deca..It may have less of an impact but the introduction of any A/S inyour system will shut down your own natural androgen production..Period end of story..Beacuse they are milder they will present less sides like attrophy, acne, hair loss,gyno,livertoxicity..But none the less if you take even the mildest A/S for a prolonged period of time they will rear their ugly heads as well..
 
<!--QuoteBegin--MacGyver+April 23 2002,05:40--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MacGyver @ April 23 2002,05:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can you give some more info on what took for you cycle?[/quote]
500mgs sust and 400mg EQ weeks 1-10.
 
You may ahve started the clomid way too soon and this is a common mistake from peeps using sust..You should wait 3-4 weeks after your last shot of sust before starting clomid.. If your gonna wait 3 weeks take the clomid for 3 weeks..that is probably the best way..Reason being that sust stays active in your system for 4 weeks..
 
Yak could be right there...  another thing I would say is go back to hitting heavy weights.  Taking a week off is generally not long enough to trigger a massive loss of muscle fibre, but remember that your body makes those muscle bigger as a response to workload.  So, go back to doing heavy compound movements.  Defintely do squats, deadlifts, stiff-leg deadlifts, bench, dips, chins, rows, and military press as the primary exercises.
 
oh yeah, trash you scale!  And if you MUST use some kind of measurement, use a measuring tape on your arms, legs, etc...  Most importantly, look in the mirror...that's all that really matters.
 
I thought you started clomid then.  If you look at some of my earlier post everyone said start after two weeks and not three.  I guess it is just difftent for diffrent people.  I have lots of clomid so I will keep taking it.  I measured and I have not lost much except in my legs.  That is my worst part too.  I have only kept an inch in my upper thighs.  O well.  Deca made a good point when he figured it as a percentage.  I worked out for a long time on and off and was never serious.  Then about a month before my cycle I got serious and quit going out and getting messed up.  I went from 140lbs to 152lbs in a little over a month.  I should have waited longer to do a cycle but did not.  Then went straight into my cycle.  So if I keep at 164lbs I will have gained and kept 24lbs in a little over three months.  I just think my body is having trouble holding on to the 40 pounds I gained in such a short time.
 
Just wanted to update this post.  I am feeling a lot better in the gym now.  I dont know why my weight would change so much.  I would wake up and be 163lbs and be 170 at night.  All that has stopped now.  When I wake up I weigh 167 and at night I weigh 168.  I have been here for a bit now and my weight seems to be sticking here.  So I kept 15lbs.  Now I just cant wait to start my next cycle.  I am going to do this.

Frontload the Enth. @1200mgs for 2 weeks before cycle.
QV Enth.  600mgs wks 1-10
QV Deca  400 mgs wks 1-10

I hope to be able to keep 180lbs on this cycle.  The hard part is waiting to do it.  I am too anxious.  When does the time on=time off start.  Does it start at last shot, clomid start or clomid end.
 
Hi mate.
Clomid treatment counts as time off.
Time on = time off is only a rough guideline bro. You can go straight back on as soon as clomid treatment has finished if you want.
Oh and yes clomid treatment starts 3 weeks after your last sust shot for future reference bro.
 
I agree,I count day #1 of clomid as day #1 of "off" time. As far as when to start back,once clomid is over,that always becomes "negotiable" ...no matter what I tell myself ahead of time. That little red devil will sit on my shoulder and say shit like,"Go ahead and shoot,what difference will a week make" ....I love that little fucker <!--emo&**--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='**'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&**--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='**'><!--endemo-->
 
DecaDent Posted on May 01 2002,2:03
That little red devil will sit on my shoulder and say shit like,"Go ahead and shoot,what difference will a week make" ....I love that little fucker

LMAO - I have that same fucker on my shoulder....
I love him too.   <!--emo&**--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='**'><!--endemo-->
 
shit, the last 2 cycles I did started QUITE a bit earlier than planned.  I lasted about 3 weeks the one time, and maybe 5 days the next, LOL...  I think the only way I'll actually take a break as planned is to just NOT buy anything.  That shit sitting around is just asking for trouble.
 
<!--QuoteBegin--BStrongBwell+May 01 2002,6:46--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BStrongBwell @ May 01 2002,6:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->shit, the last 2 cycles I did started QUITE a bit earlier than planned.  I lasted about 3 weeks the one time, and maybe 5 days the next, LOL...  I think the only way I'll actually take a break as planned is to just NOT buy anything.  That shit sitting around is just asking for trouble.[/quote]
I feel ya bro, I'm suppost to start my frontloading on saturday which is the last day of clomid but want to start it now.  The temptation is unbearable.  damn I'm thinking of just hitting tonight. :D
 
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