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MUCH BIGGER
04-25-2002, 10:11 AM
I was thinking, an 8 week cycle of Sus @ 500mg/wk with 400mg/wk of EQ then Fina for 8 weeks then Sus and Eq again. Would the Fina be a good bridge or not? Still use clomid after the Sus/Eq cycles. Any thoughts on this.

Example: You would start the Fina the 2nd day after your last Sus/Eq shot.Run it 80mg/ED for 8 weeks until you take your first Sus/Eq shot of the second cycle.

Pro's and con's.

captaindianabol4kids
04-25-2002, 10:19 AM
will effect ur hpt and is androgenic and will be bound to ur androgen receptors so u wont be cleaning out and ur subsequent cycles will have less effect!
primo is my bet!

DecaDent*
04-25-2002, 10:57 AM
Cons :Tren,like test,has both Class I and Class II AAS activity. So it will bind to just about any type of AR. It is highly androgenic as well. It will dry up your LH.

Pros: If you "bridge" with tren essentially you'll be on a 24 week cycle ;)  :)

Willyumyum
04-25-2002, 11:06 AM
Adding to what the other two said, your weener would be more limp than a cooked noodle on 8 weeks of fina alone... If you do end up hitting a 24 week cycle (the way you have it lined up) I would HIGHLY recommend taking proviron at 50mg/day for those 8 weeks on fina, to keep your libido alive and pumping, so to speak ;)

YUM

Gear101*
04-25-2002, 11:33 AM
personally the only thing i thinnk a person should bridge iwht is gh.. and that's all..

drab4
04-25-2002, 11:36 AM
Hi mate.
Yes I agree, fina/tren is possibly the worst choice for a bridge. Why not bridge with 1g of test a week? LOL.
Seriously though, any oral can be used to bridge. Take a single daily dose of orals and you will not shut off your natural test production and you will also have your receptors clear as orals (except primo) bind poorly to the AR.

mr456
04-25-2002, 12:00 PM
Drab...bro..you can most certainly shut down natural test production with orals!
  Anyway BIGGER...I would do some small amount of test for a  made up bridge. I am doing 50mg Prop EOD for 6 weeks. The only reason I am doing this is to help keep the muscle I have gained from my last cycle. I do a lot of cardio AND am coming off a t-3 cycle so I feel that  a small amount of test will keep my body from becoming catabolic and ruining all my gains that i have made. Not to mention I will still be cutting after i come off next week. This will still not allow my natural test levels to return..but i feel that at this level of test that I will have minimal consequences. If you use Fina though...that is probably harder on your system than a regular test cycle...just my opinoin though bro! good luck!

drab4
04-25-2002, 10:47 PM
mr456 - a single daily dose of orals will not affect your hpta bro. The thing that strongly shuts off your balls is a constantly high level of androgens. With a singly daily dose of orals, your system is clear of any exogenous androgens for most of the day, so you will still produce test.

mr456
04-25-2002, 10:54 PM
So your saying that like 50mg of D-bol a day won&#39;t shut down natural test production? &nbsp; Or give me an example of what orals you speak of.....I have always been under the impression that all juice ...orals and injectables will either suppress or shut down test production. With the exception of things like primo and Anavar. Maybe I have been misled &nbsp;<!--emo&OL--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='OL'><!--endemo-->

DecaDent*
04-27-2002, 09:18 AM
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I think you have it right mr456,there will always be some suppresion oral or injectable,it&#39;s a matter of degree...and that is dependent on which drug,the dosage and dosage timing,not on route of administration.
Are you refering only to Anavar drab?

drab4
04-27-2002, 09:36 PM
DecaDent and mr456...
It&#39;s my understanding that a brief (say 6 hour long) application of androgens to the system will not badly affect the htpa. The htpa will only respond to a prolonged period of exogenous androgens... for example injectables. This is because as you know the body naturally releases test in waves, so during a normal day your test levels may be very high for a short period of time.
So any oral (with the possible exception of primo) will not shut off your natural test production AS LONG AS IT IS TAKEN IN ONE SINGLE DAILY DOSE. Of course the effects of one single daily dose are far less beneficial than a constant intake of orals, but that is the price we pay for bridging.
:)

clen
04-28-2002, 04:28 AM
I just got done a bridge of 20mg anavar 8 wks.I ran the usual clomid after cycle and had no problem with the wood.I have heard the single dosing with anavar helps the hpta.I ran mine one tab every 3-4 hours.I`m not sure about dbol for a bridge.I think I would keep the doses low,expecially with one dose a day.50mg dbol once a day may produce unwanted sides.I would use anavar or primo.

this opinion is based on personal experience.remember,these drugs effect everyone differently.
Later,

drab4
04-28-2002, 01:38 PM
clen - what sides did you have on single doses of d-bol bro?
I&#39;ve never had sides bridging with 50mg d-bol per day.
Sides were less for me taking 50mg all at once than spread throughout the day.

DecaDent*
04-28-2002, 01:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--drab4+April 28 2002,07:36--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drab4 @ April 28 2002,07:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->will not shut off your natural test production AS LONG AS IT IS TAKEN IN ONE SINGLE DAILY DOSE.[/quote]
You still have to factor in the half-life of the compound,total mg&#39;s/dose,and AR binding affinity before you can say it won&#39;t have an effect on HPTA. A "single daily oral dose" is just not enough to make the claim.

clen
04-28-2002, 04:04 PM
drab,I have never done single dose dbol.like I said in my post,
it may give unwanted sides.I`ve had the usual low back pain,bloat and high bp on 50mgs throughout the day.it would make sense that if dbol effects the liver,kidneys,that it would have more effects at high doses.

drab4
04-28-2002, 10:18 PM
clen - yes fair point mate. I wouldn&#39;t run an oral bridge for too long myself due to liver risks.

DecaDent - yes those factors need to be considered. Orals except for primo (and andriol) bind poorly to the AR, so that criteria is met. Orals generally have short halflives, the longest being about 8 hours I think. Halflife is further reduced on workout days. Dosage is relevant as it will determine how long the drug stays in your system... so very high doses may be counterproductive.