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sfightery2k
05-13-2002, 08:42 PM
Hey there bros, my freind is looking to do a 10 week bulking/cutting course, his plan is to pack on 20lbs of mass with little bodyfat and then cut up so hopefully he can end up bigger than his previous size but leaner, or even the same size but leaner. I know u guys need more info so here goes- hes been training 6 years 5 natural and the last year hes done two cycles, hes 5ft 7 and 215-220lbs hes holdin bout 16-17%bf, he feels hes built up a good base and is now looking to refine, his look is that of an off-season bodybuilder- impressive in clothes but just big and shaped out of them. The gear hes got is Testex, test Propinate, D-Bol, ThermoClen, Primo, T3, Eq, Winny, okay so he dosent want to use them all buts thats what he can select from, he grows his best in the first 3- 4weeks of gear dosent really gain beyond that so he thought it would be in his best interest to go for a bulking/cutting as i described earlier, so guys if you can what im lookin for is a course within the first 3-4weeks he gains as much as he can and then blasts in the cutting for 5-6 weeks, id like to know what type of cycle u would feel would give the best results thanks for all your help, take care,sfighter.

sfightery2k
05-14-2002, 10:03 AM
Guys if you could id appreciate any feedback, thanks alot, take care, sfighter.

mbstrong
05-14-2002, 11:08 AM
What are the amounts that he has, mg?????????

sfightery2k
05-14-2002, 12:04 PM
mb thanks for the input, well he can get as much as he needs hes looking to go to a maximum of 1gram test a week and a maximum of 5-d-bol he has the thai ones, he find the he grows very well of the testex and d-bol combination, his last course he gained 20lbs in 3-4weeks, his cycle was 6 weeks long, and at the time he went upto a maximum of 4 d-bol and around 300mg testex every 5days so going over 500mg test would be a big thing for him and hes hoping to really get some huge gains in the first 5 weeks then slicing of as much fat as he can in the last 6, again thanks for your input, i appreciate any other input, take care,s fighter.

mbstrong
05-14-2002, 01:05 PM
week 1-10 prop 100mg EOD
week 1-10 Eq 600mg
week 5-10 T3 .25mcg
week 5-10 winny 50mg ED

After 10 week start the clen.

Just my .02

winnie
05-14-2002, 03:30 PM
MB...put together almost my identicle cylce I am currently on.  NO MASS IS being put on here with that cycle.  Personally, I think a cylce should be one or the other...not both combinded.  If you want both combined then you should go with HGH.  That will give you "quality" gains and cut you fat % drastically.

As far as the cycle that MB just stated...it's a great "cutting" cycle.  I have shed a lot of fat while maintaining by body weight ang getting RIPPED.

If your looking for mass too...through some d-bol in the beginning...maybe the first 2 or 3 weeks since your boys cycle is going to be short anyways.  That should through some weight and strength on immediately..but personally I would just stick to what MB stated above.

Gear101*
05-14-2002, 03:33 PM
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week 1-10 Eq 600mg
week 5-10 T3 .25mcg
week 5-10 winny 50mg ED

After 10 week start the clen.

Just my .02[/quote]
nice cycle and some tren would look sweet in there.. IMO

winnie
05-14-2002, 03:36 PM
One more thing I would extend the prop and winny to 12 weeks to make all of his gear end up out of his system at the same time. &nbsp;Or, you could only run his EQ at 8 weeks and run the prop and winny to 10 weeks. &nbsp;At least thats what I would do... ;) &nbsp; What ever route works best...probably the shorter one going back on what you state before.

Make sure he starts his clomid at Week 12 or 10...depending what route he goes.

sfightery2k
05-14-2002, 08:51 PM
Hey guys thanks alot for the info this is definintly the best board around my question didnt get any replies on other boards, so two thumbs up to the MC crew. Well my freind says he can run HGH for 4i.u.s ed for 5 day with 2 days break, for 12 weeks nw this factor is involved would you still recommend him doin the course you gave winnie but with hgh added in? and what type of results can he expect to get, is it possible for him to end up 6-7%bf leaner and the same weight or heavier. thanks and take care, sfighter.

BStrongBwell*
05-15-2002, 04:09 PM
At 5&#39;7" 220 and 17% bf, I would be doing a quality cutting cycle. &nbsp;He will hold the muscle he has and shed ALOT of fat. &nbsp;THis is what I would do:
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Prop 100mg EOD wks 1-15
EQ 600mg/wk wks 1-15
T3 ramp 25/50/75/100/100/75/50/25 start at wk 4
Winny 50mg/ED wks 11-15
Clen/ECA stack &nbsp;2weeks on each, then alternate through cycle

Over 15weeks, this cycle will cut him up nicely. &nbsp;He can expect to lose 2lbs per week on average, with up to 3lbs/wk during the peak of T3 use. &nbsp;That might drop to 1-2lbs/wk toward the end when his bf gets down. &nbsp;Diet is crucial though. &nbsp;He MUST eat around 350g of protein each day and keep the diet CLEAN. &nbsp;Keep us posted.

Z-monster
05-15-2002, 04:31 PM
Cutting and bulking are two opposite ends of the spectrum and is hard to obtain both. &nbsp;Many of the others have told you the specific drugs to take but really now a days with items like Armidex bulking and cutting are all about DIET&#33;&#33;&#33; &nbsp;Bulking you eat everything you can get into your throat, cutting you bring your carbs down to almost nothing, I&#39;m on a cutting cycle now where I&#39;m taking 750mg of prop a week, 50mg of anavar per day, 375mg of winstrol per week, 75mg of tren EOD, 600mg of EQ per week, arimidex, t3, super clen etc. &nbsp;My goals are to stay where I am or maybe move up 5-10lbs tops. &nbsp;Even that may be a stretch, because my number one focus is getting lean and ripped. &nbsp;So I eat almost no carbs and 400-500g a day of protein. &nbsp;I&#39;m 210 and 9% so my lbm is 191lbs, If I can get down to 6%bf that means I would have dropped 6lbs of fat, add to that the 5-10lbs I hope to gain and it is realistic to gain 11lbs while cutting if you eat right. &nbsp;Your friend is setting pretty unrealistic goals for himself. &nbsp;If your friend is 220 and 17% that means your lbm is about 183lbs. &nbsp;Lets say that you diet correctly and drop 5% bodyfat that means that you would have dropped 11lbs add your 15-20lbs hoping to gain and there is no way to add 26-31lbs on a cutting cycle. &nbsp;

If you really want to bulk and cut I recommend separating them. &nbsp;Do the bulk first and follow up with the cutting part.
If you take arimidex your gains in lbs will not be as impressive because much of the gain is water and arimidex will cut that water out so you will not gain the 30 desired lbs on a bulking cycle, on the plus side you will keep just about everything you do gain.

Anyway I would recommend something like the following.....

Weeks 1-6 bulking cycle, eat 5-6000 calories a day make sure you eat atleast 400g of protein. &nbsp;Try to keep the rest as clean as possible. &nbsp;Eat things like yams, oatmeal, brown rice, potatos, etc for the carb side.

Weeks 1-6 50mg of dbol a day
Weeks 1-6 Testex(could use prop as well) I&#39;d do 1g per week
Weeks 1-12 4-600mg of EQ

If you are trying to lose some weight and don&#39;t really care about the scale pounds you can start taking clen in the first six weeks.

Ok that is the bulking side of it.

During the next six weeks cut your carbs down to 100-150g per day, fats should always be around 20% this is important for dieting b/c you don&#39;t want you body to think it is being starved of fat and will hold onto fat reserves.

Weeks 6-12 500mg to 750mg per week of the propianate
Weeks 6-12 100mg of winstrol 3X per week
Weeks 6-12 Go up to 200mcg of clen per day working up, not sure what the thermo clen is but I would do 2 weeks on, one week off.
Weeks 6-12 Work up to 150mcg of T-3 per day

As always make sure you take your clomid EOD and your arimidex every day.

Good luck&#33; er I mean for your friend

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sfightery2k
05-16-2002, 07:40 AM
wow thanks guys G, this board is great, btw this isnt for me lol i know it comes across as it is, but to be honest it for one of my close relatives im part of the natural crew from BBN natural site but this place is great. Okay guys heres what where going to do im gonna go back and review the cycles with my bro hell pick the one he feels best, btw guys he can get access to 12 weeks GH @ 4i.u.s runnin it a 5on 2 off how would this affect the cycle would he just add it on top of the cycle he chooses or would you recommend a different cycle?? Thanks guys, you all take care, sfighter.

Z-monster
05-16-2002, 11:32 AM
I would definitely do the gh on this cycle. &nbsp;GH will greatly help your buddy lose weight and get more out of his cycle. &nbsp;I&#39;ve used it a couple times and after a month or so the shit is amazing. &nbsp;I&#39;m always under 10% bf but during a bulking cycle over a 12 week period only doing 4-6IU a day and eating 6000 calories a day and not clean calories at all. &nbsp;I dropped down to 7% bf and put on a solid 25lbs.

Good luck
Z-monster

Z-monster
05-16-2002, 11:33 AM
I would definitely do the gh on this cycle. &nbsp;GH will greatly help your buddy lose weight and get more out of his cycle. &nbsp;I&#39;ve used it a couple times and after a month or so the shit is amazing. &nbsp;I&#39;m always under 10% bf but during a bulking cycle over a 12 week period only doing 4-6IU a day and eating 6000 calories a day and not clean calories at all. &nbsp;I dropped down to 7% bf and put on a solid 25lbs.

Good luck
Z-monster

sfightery2k
05-17-2002, 02:05 PM
Z-Monster, hats of to you bro, you have been an awesome help, my freind has decided to go with your course he also is going to get the GH but before he does he wanted me to ask you that will GH really help out a lot in the muscle building/fat losing effect and what type of results could he expect considering he was to keep his diet fairly clean and do cadio while maintining a good workout regimen, thanks bro, god bless, SFIGHTER.

sfightery2k
05-18-2002, 12:11 PM
bump for z-monster and anyone else who can advise about the Gh, thanks and take care, sfighter.

sfightery2k
05-19-2002, 01:10 PM
just bumping this for z-monster or anyone else who can help, thanks, sfighter.