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rooster1
06-02-2002, 06:09 PM
I read a post that you will never gain like on your first cycle.So I could really use everyones opinion on this especially if you've done your first couple of cycles.What would you go back and change?I thought since I had a "little" extra bodyfat around the waist I would harden up and trim down with a cutting cycle.But now I'm thinking the hell with that,I should be flat out going for it if this is going to be my best gaining cycle then I should plan around that and cut later! My first cycle planned looks like this
weeks 1-8 Brovel T200 3ml/wk
weeks 1-8 Ttokkyo EQ 300mg/wk
weeks 5-10 Winny 50mg/ed
weeks 1-6 ECA stack
weeks 7-8 clen
weeks 9-10 ECA stack
weeks 11-12 clen
liquidex all the way through and clomid 2nd day after last winny dose for three weeks
Does this cycle lokk like something to get gains from as a first cycle?
So far this seemed to be the best cutting stack I could come up with for me.Now I,m thinking more like this:
1-10 test 3ml/wk
1-10 deca 400mg/wk
1-4 d-bol 50mg/ed
5-10 fina 75mg/eod
9-12 winny 50mg/ed
liquidex through and clomid 3 days after last winny dose.I through the winny in at last so I could come straight off that to the clomid and maximize what I keep unless there's a better way.Maybe I should throw some hcg in post cycle to.
I threw this together from what I could pull from memory by researching this site here recently.Please critique it,dice it,slice it,flame me if need be.Does this sound like a good first mass cycle?If I'm going to do this I want to do it right and to hell with what everyone around me thinks or thinks they know.I want to get huge(or semi-huge compared to some bros here I'm sure).I want to milk this 1st timer thing all I can.Please advise!Stats are needed so here they are:32 years old,6'2",235lbs.,about 18% bf,been working out since high school. :D :D

Gear101*
06-02-2002, 06:26 PM
1-10 test 3ml/wk
1-10 deca 400mg/wk
1-4 d-bol 50mg/ed
5-10 fina 75mg/eod
9-12 winny 50mg/ed


i like that one the best out of the two..and why.. best of both world.. this is the closet you can get of starting with a per bulk cycle and harding yourself put and the end to fight off any fat that you might have put on during the cycle...but i;d move the deca right up to the test... 500mg of deca and 600mg of test.. and run the tren from week 5-12.. then the cycle is complete when you start your clomid.. but that just my 2 cents bro.. good luck with whatever you deside..

rooster1
06-03-2002, 03:04 AM
Would it be ok to run fina everyday on that cycle.I was wondering if eod would keep hormone levels steady.Also is the d-bol and then the winny in the same cycle going to be too hard on the liver.Are they similar in they're makeup.:confused:

DecaDent*
06-03-2002, 08:32 AM
rooster,I admire your enthusiasm and the research you've put into this. I think your cycle (#2,that Gear reviewed) is a good one but.....I'd simplify it. I think there are to many different AAS in your stack for a 1st cycle. One of the fine points you'll pick up on with each cycle is the varied effects of one AAS vs another on your own body. A small amount of trial and error will allow each cycle to become better than the last as you learn what drugs work the best for you. If you did cycle #2 as a "virgin" cycle you'll have a difficult time sorting out what drug gave you the best gains,pumps or what gave you bad sides....If you stack 5 different AAS for cycle your first cycle you'll miss that part of the learning curve. I'd stick with a 2 or 3 drug stack max. and I'd definetly bulk the 1st time,it's easier IMO and more fun.

My vote for a 1st cycle would be Deca or EQ @ 400/wk with Test @500/wk. If you want to see how you respond to D-bol,add it for the 1st 4 weeks @ 35-50mg/d. That will give you an easy 20-30lbs with the right diet,training and amount of rest.

mbstrong
06-03-2002, 12:44 PM
I agree with Decadent on this. For you first cycle I would start out with something simple. Do give you an idea I did a test only cycle for 8 weeks and gained 20 pounds my first time. EATEATEATEAT

Just my .02

gander
06-03-2002, 02:11 PM
I would agree with the Test and Deca cycle. And I would leave the Fina out for now. I have also heard alot about waiting to cut immediately after a cycle. Might want to wait a couple of months to hit the ECA and Clen.