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BigWilly
06-12-2002, 06:44 PM
I have made up my mind on this one. (If anything some suggestions for post cycle therapy) Thanks.

Weeks 1 - 10

-- Mondays: 200mg TT EQ, 100mg Prop

--- Wednesdays: 300mg IP Sus, 100mg Prop

---- Fridays: 200mg TT EQ, 100mg Prop

Weeks 12 - 13

-- Everyday: 50mg nolvadex, 50mg clomid

Weeks 14 - 15

-- Everyday: 25mg nolvadex, 25mg clomid

This gives me 600mg of TEST per week and 400mg of EQ per week.

My stats and pics are in the picture section.

Thanks again bros.

winnie
06-12-2002, 07:11 PM
One thing that "I" would change is the Wed. shots. If you shooting the prop enhanced Sust from IP then you really don't need the other shot of prop 100 to keep you prop levels constant. Instead, I would shoot the sust like you're doing, on Wed., and move the prop shot over to the weekends. Maybe altnerating every Sat. and every Sunday. This way you keep the prop at a constant level in your body.

I don't know if there is a reason why you don't want to shoot on the weekends, but that is what I would do.

BTW...what are goals?

Oh yeah...you'll love the EQ!!!

huntergatherer
06-12-2002, 07:18 PM
i don't understand why you would use the nolvadex unless you had some gyno going on. i never had to use it yet and i'm on my third cycle. by no means am i a pro so get more info from a mod on that.

BigWilly
06-12-2002, 07:32 PM
Goals? I try not to set myself up for disappointment...especially on my first cycle. Don't get me wrong... I always go all out no matter what I do... I just don't want to limit myself. I'm gonna take what I can get bro.
If I had to post some goals I would say that I hope to gain 20 lbs. and keep 12-15 of solid muscle...If I get more great! It's just hard to say b/c I've never juiced before...

I live with someone and I won't be telling this person that I'm using...so the weekends will be tough. During the week I can go home for lunch and take care of business all by myself...I know this is dumb but hey...

Shooting sus and prop together can't be bad right? Extra prop shouldn't be a problem...

Nolv/clom are so much alike bro....I have both so I'm gonna use both post cycle. If signs of gyno appear I will use the nolv during cylce...

mr456
06-12-2002, 10:01 PM
Willy...just some friendly advice...axe the Prop completely...if you can't shoot it EOD then you are WASTING it. I would just shoot your sust/Eq on Mon and Thursdays and be done with it. You will still get 400mg of EQ a week and 600mg of Test..which depending on you..should yield good results.
As for post cycle I would use clomid at 50mg ED for a week then 100mg ED for a week and then back to 50mg ED for a total of 3 weeks of Clomid therapy.
Don't use your Nolv unless you have to. Once you start trying to block estrogen or suppress it...your cycle/gains will suffer...estrogen is an important part of a cycle believe it or not. Good luck!!

BigWilly
06-13-2002, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by mr456
Willy...just some friendly advice...axe the Prop completely...if you can't shoot it EOD then you are WASTING it. I would just shoot your sust/Eq on Mon and Thursdays and be done with it. You will still get 400mg of EQ a week and 600mg of Test..which depending on you..should yield good results.
As for post cycle I would use clomid at 50mg ED for a week then 100mg ED for a week and then back to 50mg ED for a total of 3 weeks of Clomid therapy.
Don't use your Nolv unless you have to. Once you start trying to block estrogen or suppress it...your cycle/gains will suffer...estrogen is an important part of a cycle believe it or not. Good luck!!

Thanks a lot bro...appreciate you advice.

I know it's not the best way to run a cycle but I've got to work with what I got!!! The only other thing I'm considering is finding some enan, and running the sus for weeks 1-5 at 600mg per week and the enan at 500mg per week for weeks 6-10, and dropping the prop for my next cycle (cutting)...BUT that's a big IF, if I can find some good ENAN....

From what I've read, the prop should be OK every 3rd day at the most....so What's wrong with mon/wed/fri???

As far as the sus goes, yeah I would just do the sus at 600/week if I could. But I've only got 10ml so that will only last 5 weeks at 600mg per week....so that' why I've got it spread out for 10 weeks at 300mg per week....
The clomid therapy looks good...but shouldn't the second week of therapy be 100mg EOD?
And only use the nolv if I feel gyno...

Thanks!!!

hard charger
06-13-2002, 11:25 AM
I agree prop EOD or ED.

mr456
06-13-2002, 11:58 AM
If you only have 1-10ml bottle of sust and some prop that you can't shoot EOD at least then you need to wait to start your cycle. Prop needs to be shot EOD....the gap from your Friday inject until your Monday inject is too long. Propionate like Suspension have VERY short acting esters. You need to get enough gear to accomodate your cycle incase you have problems...i.e. emergencies...vials do break...shit like that. Your minimum you should have on hand is:
2-10ml Sust 300-enough for 10weeks@600mg/week
2-10ml EQ 200-only enough for 8 weeks @400mg/week
28-50mg Clomid tabs
100- 50mg Nolv tabs
I remember doing my 1st cycle bro..and how much I wanted to start...I made some mistakes and wish I could change a lot of things I did in my haste to get juicin! Just trying to help you NOT make the same mistakes.......456 BTW..nice pics...got alot of size to you already:)

BigWilly
06-13-2002, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by mr456
If you only have 1-10ml bottle of sust and some prop that you can't shoot EOD at least then you need to wait to start your cycle. Prop needs to be shot EOD....the gap from your Friday inject until your Monday inject is too long. Propionate like Suspension have VERY short acting esters. You need to get enough gear to accomodate your cycle incase you have problems...i.e. emergencies...vials do break...shit like that. Your minimum you should have on hand is:
2-10ml Sust 300-enough for 10weeks@600mg/week
2-10ml EQ 200-only enough for 8 weeks @400mg/week
28-50mg Clomid tabs
100- 50mg Nolv tabs
I remember doing my 1st cycle bro..and how much I wanted to start...I made some mistakes and wish I could change a lot of things I did in my haste to get juicin! Just trying to help you NOT make the same mistakes.......456 BTW..nice pics...got alot of size to you already:)

Mr.456:

I can't thank you enough for your help...I really apprecitate your input on this. It would be great if every 1st-timer had this sort of support. This way we would all do it right the first time around! SO thank you.

OK, So here's what I do then:

I save the 10ml sus for another cycle...

I will have the clomid and nolvadex, no problem.

I will run my first cylce like this:

WEEKS 1 - 10:

Test prop - EOD (hands down, no questions asked! lol)

TT EQ - 200mg Mondays/Thursdays

WEEKS 12 - 14:

Clomid 50mg ED, 100mg EOD, 50mg ED

Nolvadex on hand in case my nipples get itchy and/or painful...

BigWilly
07-01-2002, 01:37 PM
Alright I'm changing it! lol

I now will be running eq, sus, enan for 10 weeks. (don't ask!)

How's this?

MONDAYS: 200mg eq, 250mg enan

THURSDAYS: 200mg eq, 300mg sus

clomid/nolvadex of course

THANKS for any input...

highside
07-01-2002, 01:43 PM
I dont know what all you have but here is what I would do. If you have the gear.

Test (sust or ethanate) 500mgs weeks 1-10
EQ 400mgs weeks 1-10

That was my first cycle (sust) and I kept 10lbs. I was up about 30 but I guess a lot was water. Just shoot 1cc test combined with 1cc of EQ (if it is 200mg) every Mon and thursday.

BigWilly
07-01-2002, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by highside
I dont know what all you have but here is what I would do. If you have the gear.

Test (sust or ethanate) 500mgs weeks 1-10
EQ 400mgs weeks 1-10

That was my first cycle (sust) and I kept 10lbs. I was up about 30 but I guess a lot was water. Just shoot 1cc test combined with 1cc of EQ (if it is 200mg) every Mon and thursday.

Well that's how I would run it if I had enough of either kind of test...

BUT I have 10ml of each: sus 300mg/ml and enan 250mg/ml

So I'm wondering what the best way to run BOTH of them is...???

goldenear
07-01-2002, 02:18 PM
One obvious way is 1 cc of each solution per week. Your test levels will still fluctuate, however. That's why a single ester test dosage is probably better than a blended one.

BigWilly
07-01-2002, 03:10 PM
Well then like this???

MON: 1cc eq, .5 cc sus, .5 cc enan

THUR: 1cc eq, .5 cc sus, .5 cc enan

Will this help keep the test levels steady?

highside
07-01-2002, 03:15 PM
That looks good. If that is what you have and can not get anything else, I would run it like that.

BigWilly
07-02-2002, 04:31 PM
What would be wrong with running it like this:

Weeks 1-5: *2cc eq, *2cc sust.

Weeks: 6-10: *2cc eq, *2cc enan

*all shots on the same day each week (mondays only).

Weeks 12 - 15: post cycle therapy

Thanks.

BigWilly
07-02-2002, 05:18 PM
BUMP 4 help.

mbstrong
07-02-2002, 05:24 PM
Looks find bro if I would have seen this earlier this is what I would have recommended. Run the sus for the first 5 weeks then run the enathate since the sus has such a long after effect.

BigWilly
07-02-2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by mbstrong
Looks find bro if I would have seen this earlier this is what I would have recommended. Run the sus for the first 5 weeks then run the enathate since the sus has such a long after effect.

Cool, thanks bro. I appreciate it.

Can't wait to start in 2 weeks!!! :cool:

BigWilly
07-03-2002, 07:04 PM
Thanks bro! I will def. enjoy!

So taking all 4cc's once per week is OK? Will splitting them up work better or the same?