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Gym Rat69
07-07-2002, 04:53 PM
Alright, while I'm still waiting on the arrival of all toys this is what I'm now considering.

Week 1-10 Organon Sus 500mg/wk
Week 1-4 Naposim Dbol 40mg/day
week 1-6 Tren Acet 92mg/day
Week 9-13 Tren Acet 138mg/day
Week 1-16 Liquidex .25mg/day
Week 13-16 Clomid Therapy 300mg 1day/100mg 10 days/50mg 10days

Now things to consider...My main concern is the gap between weeks 6-9 where all I'm doing is Sustanon. Originally Deca was to be run weeks 1-10 so there was no gap. I've got enough Dbol to last at least 9 weeks at 40mg/day. Now there's no way I'd consider doing them the whole way through, but what about starting them with my Tren at wk9 and running all the way up until clomid therapy. Also, I have 10 weeks worth of Organon Deca Yellow tops at 400mg/wk. I took those out of the cycle due to the risk of progesterone induced gyno. I'm going to save these for another time and place, but am open to other possibilites in their place. I may be able to get ahold of some Anavar, so this is also a possibility. I can get both Spa 2.5mg or the generic 40mg. This is intended to be a mass cycle, but I'm more concerned with lean mass not total mass. My stats are 24yrs old 6'1" 220lbs 12.23%bf (done using hydrodynamic measurements). ALL critiques are welcome, good or bad...by the way this is my first cycle and I've been researching it now for about 6 months. I've been training consistently for 4 years. I'll be eating approximately 4750 calories/day. 406 grams of protein - 34% of cals. 570 grams of Carbs primarily low glycemic carbs except pre and post workout - 48% of cals. 94 grams of fat primarily Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids...very little saturated - 18% of cals. My current basal metabolic rate is approximately 3670 cals/day based on the Harrison-Benedict formula taking into account a moderate daily activity level. I'd list my workout and theories behind it, but this damn post is long enough! Briefly it's a 6 day/wk routine split 3 on/1 off/3 on. Sleep is anywhere from 3-6 hours but averages around 5, except on weekends then 8 easily. Sorry for the long post, but I wanted you guys to have all the info possible to help me the best you can. Thanks to all that took the time to read this post.

rico*
07-07-2002, 05:50 PM
400- 600 of eq a week would go nicely with that cycle bro. Another questin is whats with the tren dosages? I think you could get away with 75mg of tren ed for the 10 weeks or if you wanted the 13 that you listed.

Gym Rat69
07-07-2002, 08:33 PM
The tren dosages are based on using a 4g kit, with 4000mg of finaplix-h minus the 3% lost in conversion. I'm going to adjust the amount of oil to allow for exactly 1ml of use per day for the number of weeks listed. So basically 4000mg minus 3% equals 3880/42=92mg/day and 3880/28=138mg/day. Do you think I should just run the Tren all the way through rather than taking a break? If that's the case then my conversion will come out to 8000-240=7760/91=85mg/day for 13 weeks. Anyone else consider this? Thanks Rico for the input...I've been considering tossing in some eq, just depends on availability.

rico*
07-07-2002, 09:22 PM
ok I missed the gap in the tren sorry. I would take the tren for 8-10 weeks straight.and 75- 100mg ed would be a nice dose. But Im going on what works for me. Ok availability can be a problem,But eq would go nice with that blend you have listed.

Gym Rat69
07-08-2002, 03:15 AM
I'm considering now running the tren all the way through at either 85mg/day or 170mg eod...either way, same thing. If I can get my grubby paws on some EQ I'll go that route, but damn if that $hit isn't expensive! I've also considered doing the dbol weeks 1-6 and generic 40mg Anavars at 60mg/day weeks 7-13. Whatcha think of this?

rico*
07-08-2002, 06:48 AM
did you say this was your 1st cycle? You wont realy need to do the anavars. You should have plenty of strength from the sus and tren.

Gym Rat69
07-08-2002, 09:24 PM
Well, yes and no... It's my first cycle in almost 8 years, so yeah...it's my first real cycle. I did an 8week cycle of test cyp in high school...what a dumbass I was, but I got GREAT results! :) You don't think I need the anavars...hmmm...perhaps I'll save them for another cycle. There's always another cycle isn't there? :)

J*
07-08-2002, 11:55 PM
Hey bro,

First of all, I'm very impressed with all the research you have done...it is good to see a bro who has taken his time and learned a lot!

As for your cycle ...sust and dbol look good. Not quite sure why you are breaking up the tren. If it were me I would only run the tren for 6-8 weeks max (with no break). Like maybe weeks 6-12 or something, and I think you would get good results with going eod (ed is pretty heavy for tren) Having been off for 8 years, I think you could cut back and still see amazing results. I just started IP tren a week ago and I'm already seeing results at just 80 eod. As for the concern about only sust for a while, I wouldn't worry much about that...you should be just fine.

Hope that helps out a litte, I'm sure others will have good suggestions as well.

-J

Gym Rat69
07-09-2002, 03:26 AM
Thanks J for the help. I've been looking into the different possible cycles for quite a while. As far as the diet and workout routine go, I've got pretty extensive knowledge in that department. I've been a personal trainer for 5 years, am certified by the American College of Sports Medicine, the National Strength and Conditioning Association, and the National Academy of Sports Medicine. I also will be graduating will a double degree at the end of the summer. I'll have a B.S. in Biomechanics and a B.S. in Exercise Physiology, not to mention I'll be starting chiropractic school in the fall. Good luck with your cycle. I'm considering running tren the whole cycle at 150mg eod, or somewhere in that general area, plus possibly adding EQ at 400mg/wk. Any advice as to which EQ is best? I've got access to TT,QV, and Denkall. Thanks again... all other critiques are WELCOME and ENCOURAGED!

Gym Rat69
07-10-2002, 02:38 AM
bump for more help! Thanks guys!

mbstrong
07-10-2002, 08:22 AM
[Any advice as to which EQ is best? I've got access to TT,QV, and Denkall. Thanks again... all other critiques are WELCOME and ENCOURAGED! [/B][/QUOTE]

I would only run the tren for 5 weeks. I would also go with QV

Gym Rat69
07-10-2002, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by mbstrong
[Any advice as to which EQ is best? I've got access to TT,QV, and Denkall. Thanks again... all other critiques are WELCOME and ENCOURAGED!

I would only run the tren for 5 weeks. I would also go with QV [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice. Why would you only run the tren for 5 weeks?

DROCK
07-10-2002, 05:10 PM
I'm getting ready to run tren 12 weeks starting 1-4 75 eod then 5-12 100+ ed along with a bunch of other shit for a contest..I almost went to chiro school..have an extensive background in soft tissue injury/treatment..NMT and then some.. Just some thoughs, I'm sure you know this but just in case, the sus should be shot eod to take advantage of the short esters..also this is a very heavy cycle mentally..it can and will make you crazy so be very prepared especially with school and all..
good luck
DROCK

rico*
07-10-2002, 05:34 PM
tt eq is good and so is the qv never did denkall eq

mbstrong
07-10-2002, 05:58 PM
tren is very hard on the kidneys and a lot of other sides will be coming with the tren if you take it that long.

Gym Rat69
07-10-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by mbstrong
tren is very hard on the kidneys and a lot of other sides will be coming with the tren if you take it that long.

So would you recommend that I split it like I had, or should I just not run it more than 6 weeks per cycle? Thanks for all the advice guys! And DROCK I know it's gonna be tough, but I won't be starting Chiro school until late fall. This way I'll be able to focus on ME for a while! :)

mbstrong
07-11-2002, 01:49 PM
I would run it for the last 5 or 6 weeks. Run it for 75mg ED or EOD.



Originally posted by Gym Rat69


So would you recommend that I split it like I had, or should I just not run it more than 6 weeks per cycle? Thanks for all the advice guys! And DROCK I know it's gonna be tough, but I won't be starting Chiro school until late fall. This way I'll be able to focus on ME for a while! :)

CJ Buff
07-11-2002, 02:03 PM
True with Tren, I tried 75mg/ed and had to stop the sides got really bad after only 2 weeks! Now I am working up (37.5 3x/wk - 50mg 3x/wk - 75mg 3x/wk - 50mg 3x/wk) I am planning on staying on for about 12 weeks, but the doseage is much smaller than people typically do...

CJ

P.S. For each doseage I will stay on for three weeks then go up

DROCK
07-11-2002, 03:47 PM
I have been reconsidering the tren length, but since this is my first time using it I will see how my body reacts...will be taking quite a bit of ala and cranberry extract...hopefully minimal sides

Gym Rat69
07-11-2002, 09:08 PM
What sides did you guys have? Gyno, acne, anger? Thanks for all the help!

shokjosh456
07-11-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by mbstrong
tren is very hard on the kidneys and a lot of other sides will be coming with the tren if you take it that long.

I agree...I had sides from tren....hairloss and raised blood pressure...and the hairloss is a direct effect and not from increased DHT levels wich can be combatted with proscar,propecia,saw palmetto,finestriide :(