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MUCH BIGGER
07-13-2002, 09:15 AM
I currently have on hand 100 tabs of TAMOXIFEN (novl) 10mg per tab (German).
My question is: Is there anyway that I can cycle it to help reduce bloat in my up comming cycle?
Cycle is:
Test Enth 600mg/wk 1-10
EQ 400mg/wk 1-10
Fina 75mg/oed 7-12

boking
07-13-2002, 01:06 PM
YOU USING LIQUIDEX? IT SHOULD HELP WITH BLOAT. .25MG ED

BStrongBwell*
07-13-2002, 09:02 PM
Estrogen is the culprit with bloating. The nolva doesn't stop aromatization, so it really won't do anything for bloating. Where as arimidex/liquidex blocks test from converting to estrogen. If you dont' have arimidex, then the best you can do is watch your diet and stay away from excess sodium, get plenty of potassium, and drink 1gal+ of H2O/day.

MacGyver
07-13-2002, 10:11 PM
If nolva doesn't prevent bloating, then why do people use it in a cutting cycle?

Zeca
07-14-2002, 06:18 PM
proviron can help a bit with the bloat too........

BStrongBwell*
07-14-2002, 06:34 PM
nolva competes with estrogen for receptors in SOME tissues, such as those in your chest...but, nolva IS a form of estrogen itself. So, I couldn't tell you why it's used specifically in cutting cycles. I use it in ALL cycles, but not for controlling bloat...for controling my BOOBS, lol.

leanbody
07-14-2002, 08:02 PM
I noticed on my last cycle that when slight gyno set in and I added nolva. I lost water within 3 or 4 days. Better post cycle than clomid too.

shokjosh456
07-14-2002, 11:16 PM
No offense bstrongwell,nolva CAN be used to control bloat...especially if taken along with proviron.When taking in conjuction, almost full aromatisation is stopped. I have various links to articles stated this if you like proof to back it up....small and I got in the same debate and after reading the links,he agreed with me....however,we discussed that we both have not physically seend studies on paper or by universities backing this up. Our only asumption that the info was based on studies...I will however tell you that my experience with both work very very well....grant it,liquidex works better,but not by much...

shokjosh456
07-14-2002, 11:30 PM
This remedy is somewhat different from others since it is not an anabolic /androgenic steroid. For male and female bodybuilders, however, it is a very useful and recommended compound which is confirmed by its widespread use and mostly positive results. Nolvadex belongs to the group of sex hormones and is a so-called antiestrogen. The normal application of Nolvadex is in the treatment of certain forms of breast cancer in female patients. With Nolvadex it is possible to reverse an existing growth process of deceased tissue and prevent further growth. The growth of certain tissues is stimulated by the body's own estrogen hormone. This is especially true for the breast glands in men and women since the body has a large number of estrogen receptors at these glands which can bond with the estrogens present in the blood. If the body's own estrogen level is unusually high an undesired growth of breast glands occurs. However, in healthy women and particularly in men this is not the case. Despite this, it is mostly male bodybuilders who use Nolvadex, and fewer women. At first sight this seems somewhat inconceivable but when taking a closer look, the reasons are clear. Bodybuilders who take Nolvadex also use anabolic steroids at the same time. Since most steroids aromatize more or less strongly, i.e. part of the substance is converted into estrogens, male bodybuilders can experience a significant elevation in the normally very low estrogen level. This can lead to feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia (growth of breast glands), increased fat deposits and higher water retention.


The antiestrogen Nolvadex works against this by blocking the estrogen receptors of the effected body tissue, thereby inhibiting a bonding of estrogens and receptor. It is, however, important to understand that Nolvadex does not prevent the aromatization but only acts as an estrogen antagonist. This means that it does not prevent testosterone and its synthetic derivatives (steroids) from converting into estrogens but only fights with them in a sort of "competition''for the estrogen receptors. This characteristic has the disadvantage that after the discontinuance of Nolvadex a "rebound effect" can occur which means that the suddendly freed estrogen receptors are now able to absorb the estrogen present in the blood. For this reason the combined intake of Proviron is suggested. Nolvadex is also useful during a diet since it helps in the burning of fat. Although Nolvadex has no direct fatburning effect its antiestrogenic effect contributes to keeping the estrogen level as low as possible. Nolvadex should especially be taken together with the strong androgenic steroids Dianabol (D-bol) and Anadrol, and the various testosterone compounds. Athletes who have a tendency to retain water and who have a mammary dysfunction should take Nolvadex as a prevention during every steroid intake. Since Nolvadex is very effective in most cases it is no wonder that several athletes can take Anadrol and Dianabol (D-bol) until the day of a competition, and in combination with a diruretic still appear totally ripped in the limelight. Those who already have a low body fat content will achieve a visibly improved muscle hardness with Nolvadex.


When combining Proviron with Nolvadex (50 mg Proviron/day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day) this will lead to an almost complete suppression of estrogen.

MacGyver
07-15-2002, 04:31 PM
Thanks shokjosh and BSBW for the shared knowledge.