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DecaDent*
07-16-2002, 06:30 PM
This sobering study followed winning powerlifters for 12 years after they won national competitions and found that they death rate approached 13% during that 12 years inital follow-up. That is over 4x higher than the general population of the same age.Suicide and heart attacks were the most common events leading to death in the powerlifter group.
This,to me,emphasizes the importance of proper medical monitoring,especially lipid/cholesterol profiles,liver function,and mental health when using AAS.
Winstrol is particularly bad at raising LDL cholesterol and lowering the good(HDL) cholesterol and that will clog your arteries faster than the hair you lose clogs the sink drain,you just can't see/feel it happening. Get a lipid panel done while "on" and see for yourself. There are drugs that can counter this side effect,but you won't know without looking.
Watch out for your selves and your budz and if you play,play the game smart. The price is to high for failure.

Here's the abstract.

Increased premature mortality of competitive powerlifters suspected to have used anabolic agents.


Misuse of supraphysiological doses of anabolic steroids is claimed to have serious side effects. The aim of the study was to determine the mortality, and the cause of premature deaths among a group of subjects who are strongly suspected to have used anabolic steroids for a non-medical purpose over several years. The mortality of 62 male powerlifters placed 1st-5th in weight series 82.5-125 kg in Finnish championships during 1977-1982 was compared with the mortality of population controls. The mortality during the 12-year follow-up was 12.9% for the powerlifters compared to 3.1% in the control population. By 1993 eight of 62 powerlifters and 34 of 1094 population controls had died, thus the risk of death among the powerlifters was 4.6 times higher (95% CI 2.04-10.45; p = 0.0002). The causes of premature death among the powerlifters were suicide (3), acute myocardial infarction (3), hepatic coma (1) and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (1). These findings add to the growing amount of evidence of an association between anabolic steroid abuse and premature death, and support the view that measures to decrease AAS misuse among both competitive and amateur athletes are justified

Int J Sports Med 2000 Apr;21(3):225-7 (ISSN: 0172-4622)
Parssinen M; Kujala U; Vartiainen E; Sarna S; Seppala T
National Public Health Institute, Laboratory of Substance Abuse, Helsinki, Finland. miia.parssinen@ktl.fi.

Gear101*
07-16-2002, 06:38 PM
hard to post in this thread.. you know the story of my sister.. all i can say is suicide.. well it's got alot to do with a postive metal health.. or the oppistive of that for them.. got to be happy with what every you are doing i live...

DecaDent*
07-16-2002, 06:41 PM
Here's another article along the same lines,again not a happy thing to read but IMO it's important info to be aware of.


Cause and manner of death among users of anabolic androgenic steroids.


Medicolegally investigated deaths among 34 male users of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) are described. Nine persons were victims of homicide, 11 had committed suicide, 12 deaths were judged as accidental and 2 as indeterminate. In two cases of accidental poisoning, the levels of pharmaceuticals and illicit drugs were considered too low to be the sole cause of death and AAS was considered part of the lethal polypharmacia. Chronic cardiac changes were observed in 12 cases. In two cases of accidental poisonous deaths, these changes were regarded as contributory cause of death. Homicides, suicides, and poisonings determined accidental or indeterminate in manner were related to impulsive, disinhibited behavior characterized by violent rages, mood swings, and/or uncontrolled drug intake. The observations in the present study indicate an increased risk of violent death from impulsive, aggressive behavior, or depressive symptoms associated with use of AAS. There are also data to support earlier reports of possible lethal cardiovascular complications from use of AAS. Furthermore, a contributing role of AAS in lethal polypharmacia is suggested. Finally, the observations indicate that use of AAS may be the gateway of approach to abuse of other psychotropic drugs


J Forensic Sci 2000 Jan;45(1):16-23 (ISSN: 0022-1198)
Thiblin I; Lindquist O; Rajs J
Department of Forensic Medicine, Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden.

DecaDent*
07-16-2002, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Gear101*
hard to post in this thread.. you know the story of my sister.. all i can say is suicide..
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I know it sucks Gear101,and I feel for your loss,you know where my head has been lately as well bro. I'm not going on some crusade or trying to post downerz but I do want people to watch out for themselves and their brothers. Thanks again for talking the other night,it helps.

Loch Ness
07-16-2002, 06:48 PM
Good info, the sad truth about our lifestyles.

Gear101*
07-16-2002, 06:53 PM
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Gear101*
07-16-2002, 06:54 PM
http://www.westwoodi.net/~smilies/contrib/anym/big.gif

jshoty
07-16-2002, 09:41 PM
My best friend in high school commited suicide, he was only 16 years old. He wasnt using aas though. Still really messed me up, had to visit the shrink a few times because of it.

Stickler*
07-17-2002, 05:16 AM
deca.. i just wrote a HUGE response to this.... but i FUCKING CLOSED THE WINDOW!@!@ ...


FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

ANYWAY... .,.. it basically said.. overall .. "You DA MAN" .. and "GET OUT OF THIS MORBID FUNK!!" .. ya know why? ... well ... exactly why I said before.. b/c too many people value everything you have to offer.. and ultimately... well.. we all appreciate everything you say.. everything yo ucan back up scientifically.. it makes all the difference in the world... and GOD DAMNIT .. I'm pissed that I deleted the post.. it was fucking awesome.

Look at my post in respose to "Username's" response to a thread.. (he started it himself) ...

Deca.. you got friends here bro... (especially me and sasha.. remember that!) ... so pm/email us if you need too... the ear/shoulder.. and voice is there bro.. you know that!

Keep your head up high.. and focus on you now... we'll be here the best we can as a community and a FAMILY to help you along the way.. but most of all... you are there for yourself.. and the rest of us will just... well ... smile, nod, and push you in any direction you wanna go bro...

fuck this isn't AS good as my last post.. but regardless.. you got all of us.. and if that isn't good enough you got me and sasha .. (which shoudl be great enough.. .lol ;) )

DecaDent*
07-17-2002, 09:01 AM
Gear101,thanks for the smiles,they make a nice juxtapositional point and made me smile.

Stickler,it's funny bro,you deleting the eloquent post...just like the rambling long ass PM I sent to you at the wrong addy that you never recieved. It was very therapeutic for me to at least attempt to articulate my feelings and so you helped tremendously at the time,without even knowing it. My thanks to you and sasha for being there,I'll be leaning on you now and then.

THECRUX
07-17-2002, 09:47 AM
seems too me that maybe when you reach a certain age or genetic limit steroids no longer produce the kind of gains you were used too. i am know expert like alot of you guys but thats my two cents. and maybe hardcore lifters can no longer take the failure of not gaining how they once were able. which is depressing to them. where do they go know. you have to accept age at some point with or without drugs.

Big Guns
07-17-2002, 11:14 AM
I just can't help but wonder....if the powerlifters studied had not been powerlifters, they would probably be big guys even if they never lifted. In fact what would the mortality rate be if all those guys were big couch potatoes. I would think that it might even be higher than 13%. So in all probability their sport and the drugs used during it may have SAVED some of their lives.

Just a thought.