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thermochaser
07-21-2002, 10:51 PM
"I thought dbol was methandrostenolone. whats the diff with methandienone and 5-a-methyltestosterone"

I heartd this from Kossdeh, its not uncommon but he asks a very good question so lets see if we can Learn him!

methandrostenolone:is the real DBOL it is an ester that was first made in the 1960's I can get chemically technical but i wont its the real DBOL very potent derative of testosterone exhibiting strond anabolic and androgenic properties. gains are mass and strength kept is under %50 of what you gained on it!


methandienone: is also a trade name for DBOL but it is pronabol from from india by *&* labs. I cant post source here. Most are fake and are from india all i have come across are fake. The deep purple printing mostly gives it away. some are "good fakes"

5-a-methyltestosterone:istestosterones, and progesterone are used in varying amounts and combinations to treat menopausal symptoms. Estrogens can cause loss of libido and impotence in males and menstrual disorders in females.6 Estradiol, estrone, progesterone, and testoterone are confirmed animal carcinogens with neoplastigenic, tumorigenic, and teratogenic effects.5-a-Methyltestosterone is a questionable human carcinogen, producing nonmalignant tumors in the liver. It is a poison by intraperitoneal route. It is bad at long term effects. i took this info from a medical journal.

All of these are forms of DBOL all have different alpha esters and methyl preparations the oldest known is the first one.methandrostenolone it was one of the fist made, next the safest i guess you could say is methandienone with noticibly more sides but in long term limit its use to 6-8 weeks or less. the last can cause liver damage in doses exceeding 4-6 weeks, thats why i have concern about naps and others containing this ester.
Kinda look at it like nutrasweet , sweeten's the same but it will give you cancer and sugar wont! but sugar can cause diabeties in those prone take the leesser of the two evils, stick with sugar! if you dont believe me read the back of the packet even its made with a methyl ester and a methane molecule, try it its flammable if you pour it on a flame.

Dragon_MD
07-22-2002, 02:39 PM
Dbol is methandrostenole or methandrostenolone or methandienone

Methyltest is metyltestosterone.


1-Dehydro-17a-methyltestosterone [72-63-9]

Synonyms: 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-one; Methandrostenolone; Metandienone; Dianabol; 17beta-Hydroxy-17-methylandrosta-1,4-dien-3-one; Methandienone;

17a-Methyltestosterone [58-18-4]

Synonyms: 17-methyl testosterone; 17a-methyl-delta4-androsten-17b-ol-3-one; 17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-4-androsten-3-one; Methyltestosterone; Metandren; 17beta-Hydroxy-17-methylandrost-4-en-3-one; Androst-4-en-3-one, 17-hydroxy-17-methyl-, (17beta)-; 17beta-Hydroxy-17alpha-methylandrost-4-en-3-one;

And compare dbol to eq and notice something intertesting.!

17beta-Hydroxyandrosta-1,4-dien-3-one [846-48-0]

Synonyms: 1-Dehydrotestosterone; Boldenone;

46and2aheadofme
07-22-2002, 04:04 PM
I agree, methyltest is not dbol and most of us are aware of this.... good info nonetheless!

thermochaser
07-22-2002, 04:22 PM
i tried to avoud the chemical that tell newbies nothing if they dont have a chemistry background the esters and molecular structure dont help just tell them which is better and which is not!

kossdeh
07-22-2002, 06:04 PM
Thanks for the info. It was very clear.
Actually bro, I took 3 years of chemistry (minor) in college.., and two years of biochem/molecular chem in my masters work. The problem is that neither the compound name, chemical structure, esterified state, or even a diagramatic stick figure showing you each hydroxyl group tells you what the hell the compound does when it goes into the body. Even if you have very good familiarity with the family of compounds, slap an extra nitrogen on or switch a hydroxyl from a para to a meta position and you may have an entirely different metabolic activity in the body.
Basically, its not the lack of a chemistry background, its being a newbie, like I am admitedly, and not being familiar with the effects of each chemical.
In the end, thanks for the look out on the fakies, and the lesson.
BTW I couldnt figure out why they would put a test compound in with an oral med, I thought they dont stay active if injested.

thermochaser
07-23-2002, 06:43 AM
your right about the molecular compunds bro, the oral test does stay active to some degree but not enough to give any desired effects like in andriol the dosage would have to bumped considerably so that it makes it through the stomach and liver. the compunds described above is what i am referring to is that the methyl is the same the dosage would have to exceed more than usual but could also cause liver tumors. The estrogen and progesterone effects would be to great also. thats why the methyl is a bad thing if in DBOL. The lab here where I work does tests on that sort of thing for pharms and analyst companies alike. I work in a lab with doctors of sports medicine. I am an excercise science major with pre-med emphasis, so some of the info I get comes from the doc's. The stomach does eat up alot of it thats why i posted the warning, know what you buy before your body takes the damage and not your pocket book.
Thanks for the reply bro. We all learn something from each other that's why we are here..

Dragon_MD
07-23-2002, 06:15 PM
I read somewhere that methyltest can be used as an antiestrogen. I'll try and find it, but don't go out and try it! lol

Dragon_MD
07-23-2002, 06:30 PM
Here is the link:

http://www.hci.utah.edu/content/reuters/2002/03/03/20020304scie003.html

HRT component inhibits aromatase, and perhaps estrogen-sensitive tumors

Last Updated: 2002-03-04 9:05:11 EST (Reuters Health)

By Anthony J. Brown, MD

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Methyltestosterone, a widely used component of hormone replacement therapy (HRT), is a competitive aromatase inhibitor, according to a new report. Hence, by inhibiting estrogen production, the drug could have a beneficial effect on hormone-sensitive cancers.

Dr. Frederick Naftolin, from Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, and colleagues evaluated the effects of methyltestosterone in a choriocarcinoma cell line and in a leukemia cell line. In the choriocarcinoma line, the cells constitutively expressed high levels of aromatase, while in the leukemia line the cells only expressed aromatase after undergoing differentiation.

In both cell lines, methyltestosterone inhibited aromatase activity in a dose-dependent fashion, the investigators note in the March 1st issue of The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology.

"Methyltestosterone is an orally active androgen preparation," Dr. Naftolin told Reuters Health. "It is typically used as an adjuvant to regular HRT, and it is approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of decreased libido," he said. "But, the mechanism by which it works has been unclear," he added.

"In the current study, we showed that methyltestosterone is an aromatase inhibitor," Dr. Naftolin said. "It appears to work in the same way as other aromatase inhibitors such as letrozole," he noted.

Despite the present findings, "it is unlikely that methyltestosterone will be used as anticancer agent, due to its androgenic side effects," Dr. Naftolin pointed out. Still, "we plan on studying women who take methyltestosterone as part of their HRT regimen to see if the incidence of hormone-sensitive cancers is reduced," he said.

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 2002;79:239-246.

thermochaser
07-23-2002, 10:06 PM
with all the info we gather it puts a new meaning to "two heads are better than one" I hope we cleared this up for ya bro..