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realcooltime
07-25-2002, 02:33 AM
Hi all,

I found this at the testosterone magazine website.

EVERYONE should read this, vets and mods pls comment.

Thanks, ziggy

http://www.t-mag.com/articles/191stras.html

Q: What's up with Ttokkyo's Anadrol clone? I have to take five to six tabs per day to see them work at all! Please don't tell me they're bunk!

A: They're bunk! Sorry!

I know, I know, every time I "knock" Ttokkyo I get accused of having some ulterior motive, of actually being IP or GAC or "Ttokkyo's competition." But the truth is, Ttokkyo's rep has really hit the shitter in recent weeks as other non-biased board monitors and e-zine editors all over the Internet have noticed.

About the only people defending Ttokkyo now are the people who sell primarily Ttokkyo gear (and have to pimp the shit out of it to make money) and one dimensional, rabid, "junior juicers" who used Ttokkyo when they first launched and don't realize (or refuse to realize) that the quality has dropped quite a bit from the first lot numbers to the current lot numbers.

I looked into Ttokkyo's oxymetholone tablets since many people have also said they work very well… if you take five or six tablets per day! Anyone who can remember the old Syntex Anadrol-50's from back in the 1980s will tell you that five or six tablets per day would kill a small elephant, and would certainly cause some serious gut pain and turn your skin a lovely shade of piss yellow. So there are only two ways that anyone could tolerate that many A-bombs per day: 1) if they were indeed a rather large elephant or 2) if the tabs were horribly underdosed! So I'm sad to report that Ttokkyo's oxymetholone is complete shit.

A well known and respected (and un-named) chemist ran 20 Ttokkyo A-bombs through HPLC to extract the oxymetholone from them in order to quantify them. I would have expected him to recover close to a gram of oxymetholone from this (50mg per tab x 20 tabs = 1000mg or 1.00g). However, he recovered a paltry 180mg of oxymetholone! That works out to around 9mg per tablet. This sucks ass! No wonder people can take six of them at a time! Six Ttokkyo A-bombs = 54mg of oxymetholone. Sad, but true.


Mexican Veterinary Sustanon — Just a Myth?

Q: I was in Ensenada last week and I saw something called "Tornel Super Test 250" which was $35 at the granero I visited to buy stuff for my, um, dogs, yeah, that's it! The labels and printing are much better than the T-200 and Norandren labels. The Super Test 250 labels are brighter, have more detail, smoother, rounded edges and actually stay glued to the bottle! But aside from looking good, what can you tell me about this new Tornel product? There's nothing about it at their website.

A: This product is supposed to be yet another version of a Sustanon 250 clone coming out of Mexico. Other companies making Sustanon clones include Ttokkyo and Loeffler. I'm going to let you in on a little secret about Mexican veterinary steroid makers: none of these Sustanon clones come close to meeting label claims and none of them have four esters of Testosterone in them like real Sustanon does.

In fact, I'll bet heavy money and give 5:1 odds that if you analyzed any Mexican veterinary Sustanon clone or any type of Testosterone ester made by Mexican vet houses, they'd contain one (or more) of the three following Testosterone esters: Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone undecanoate, or Testosterone propionate. Any Testosterone cypionate being made or sold by the Mexican vet companies is surely mislabeled Testosterone enanthate (or plain vegetable oil.) There are no Testosterone decanoate containing products either, only undecanoate.

Okay, so this really isn't a huge deal. I mean, if you get three decent esters of Testosterone and they total up to 250mg/mL, who cares? Well, I care! I don't like being lied to. And on top of that, I know for a fact that the only three Testosterone esters that are sold out of China in any real quantities are the three I mentioned. Testosterone propionate is $680 per kilo in China and Testosterone enanthate is $960 per kilo there. However, try to buy a kilo of Testosterone cypionate and you'll have to wait six months and pay $2500 or more per kilo.

So what do you think the Mexican companies are gonna do? I know, I know, I'm "picking on" Ttokkyo or the Mexicans again, right? Fuck that nonsense! I'm so disgusted with what's come out of Mexico in the last six months that my new philosophy is to never suggest that anyone use Mexican vet steroids, any Mexican vet steroids, ever again.

Pro-bodybuilders are notoriously cheap fucks. Yet none of them, and I mean none of them, use any Ttokkyo, Loeffler or Tornell products. They opt to spend much more money on stuff like Testoprim-D and Primoteston. Ever wonder what the pros know about Mexican gear that you don't? Ever wonder why they refuse to use it? Now you know!

I'm also not some naïve and clueless newbie. I know that plenty of people are using Mexican and bootlegged steroids with results. And they all think I'm a cock sucking asshole because I "dog out" Mexican gear, gear which worked fine for them. Look, it's a sad state we've devolved to when we see nothing wrong with knowingly buying a product that's labeled "oxymetholone, 50mg per tablet" and having it contain under 10mg per tablet, or buying a Test ester blend purported to have four different esters in it when it has no more than three in reality.

I can list example after example of mislabeling. I'm sick of it and I'm not going to tolerate it anymore. And neither should you! This is why, with some very rare exceptions, I'm now suggesting that anyone interested in using gear use human grade gear or not use at all. It's so sad that some people are so desperate to use steroids that they'll buy stuff they know for sure is mislabeled.

superchicken
07-25-2002, 02:43 AM
jack off.

he has his points, but there is good mex gear out there. yes mex companies are shady and underfill and underdose, but i get good results and its cheap!
yes human grade is better, but who said you always gotta use the best?

theres plenty of giants who use mex gear.

winnie
07-25-2002, 05:47 AM
A lot to read, myself and many others have had great gains using this so called "vegetable oil." There are going to fakes of all brands, thats the game.

Gear101*
07-25-2002, 07:58 AM
QV

bungybung
07-25-2002, 08:24 AM
Personally, I have had nothing but good experience with the TTokkyo gear. I have successfully used the EQ, Cyp, Deca, Dbol, and Testenon. I have NOT tried the abombs.

MacGyver
07-25-2002, 09:44 AM
I've only used Ttokyo EQ and thought it was great.

Explosive
07-25-2002, 09:44 AM
A good friend of mine was using the TT drol, he gained jack shit!!!!!! The guy reorders another brand of drol, and the source sends him more TT drol!!!! Thats gotta suck!!!!!


Ex

skwood
07-25-2002, 10:18 AM
I've used QV and TTokkyo gear without any problems. But of course, I have been sold mexican bunk as well.

realcooltime
07-25-2002, 10:32 AM
Oh hey guys I know it's a lot ot read--I didn't write it, I cut and pasted it from the Strasseroids column in Testosterone Magazine.

For those who didn't take the time to read, the article makes one thing clear:

Strasser IS NOT talking about fakes. What he is saying is that the REAL gear from most Mexican pharmacutical companies is mislabled, dirty, underdosed, and bunk.

I don't know myself, but I would sure like to hear some more input from everyone.

Ziggy B

Shredded
07-25-2002, 11:32 AM
Sorry to say but it is true. While most of Ttokkyo's were good to begin with, they have definitely slipped. Testosterone magazine has a lot of very good information. I recently bought leoffler's oxymetholone. I took six per day and barely got any results. And as some of you know, I recently got 100 Androlics, I am taking one per day and am up 5 pounds still in the first week. Strength is going up very fast. Will I use Mexican, yes. Why, because it is sometimes all I can get.
Just my opinion.

realcooltime
07-25-2002, 11:44 AM
A lot of guys up here in Canada are using spectro labs with good results.

Has anyone here done spectro?

I want it but my dealer is not to be trusted anymore. I have net sources--but they all sell mexican vet stuff.

Are there any companies/sources out there that can be truly trusted to sell a good product that is clean and meets label claims?

Thanks all!

Ziggy B.

sully
07-25-2002, 01:58 PM
...i wonder how much the other company(s) paid them to trash ttokkyo...i am not a TTokkyo "head" here but it is all preference i guess...if it doesnt work for you then do not do it...

Latinsteel
07-25-2002, 02:05 PM
Yeah there might be better brands but Mexican gear can give good results as well.

Latinsteel
07-25-2002, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by sully
...i wonder how much the other company(s) paid them to trash ttokkyo...i am not a TTokkyo "head" here but it is all preference i guess...if it doesnt work for you then do not do it...

Exactly!

realcooltime
07-25-2002, 02:32 PM
Read the info before comment please. No one paid them. They did independent lab assays.

It is usually best to read and understand something before one comments on it.

peace,

ziggy b

sully
07-25-2002, 02:38 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by realcooltime
[B]Read the info before comment please. No one paid them. They did independent lab assays.

It is usually best to read and understand something before one comments on it.

...whatever bro, dont believe everything you read in these mags...for instance, muscle-tech products really didnt do that to Lee Priest...lol...

MacGyver
07-25-2002, 02:44 PM
I've used SPECTRO LABS stuff and my friends as well and it works great. They just came out with D-bol tabs too.

Shredded
07-26-2002, 03:04 AM
Also in Mexico, available from all the same sources are the Australian imports. Why not buy these? They are accurately dosed, correct amount in the bottle and just slightly more expensive. I am not trashing Mexican gear, but how in the hell can you figure out how much you are taking when you don't know if the amount on the label is the amount in the product or if what is on the label is actually what is in the bottle? Can you grow on Mexican gear, of course. If you buy a bottle of Ttokkyo Cypionate and it actually contains Enanthate. Does it matter? No, probably not, very few people could tell the difference. You just paid more for the enanthate then you had to. But if you are trying to compete and you have a strict schedule then that won't cut it. You have to know what you are taking and exactly how much. But for most, Mexican gear is fine, but keep in mind, you really don't know what is in the bottle.
Just shooting my mouth off again.
Shredded

realcooltime
07-26-2002, 01:12 PM
Exactly, shredded, you are the voice of reason.

A lot of bros may not grow on (x) roid or get gyno with (y) roid or know that stacking 400mgs of (z) roid with (w) roid should produce certain results. If the stuff isn't what it says it is, and in the right concentrations--there could be serious problems.

I know that some of the sources read these posts. I respect what you do, and i know you have a significant investment already in TT, and all that---

But when your current stocks run out, couldn't you start stockign Aussie or Euro gear--I know it is available in Mexico....

peace

ZB

Taz30
07-26-2002, 08:47 PM
A friend of mine tried the TT drol and i sampled it as well. The stuff is shit . I'm not saying this about TT's other products just the drol for sure is a real bad buy!! I've always wondered how in the fuck they got 50mg oxymetholone in such a tiny tablet and all human grade drols are giant in comparison.

cisco-kidd
07-28-2002, 09:38 AM
I have to say I at least agree with the TT assessment. When the TT Deca first came out I got a few bottles for a couple friends of mine. THey had nothing but raves for it. They spoke so highly of it that I decided to throw some in my cycle last fall as well. So I get a couple bottles for myself and a couple for one of the guys I had helped before. Neither of us got shit from it. Now I don't particularly get that much from deca anyway, but it at least lubes the joints somewhat. I went through two bottles and it didn't seem to do anything. Same story for my friend who is usually a decamaniac. From now on the only products I'll buy from Mex are Denkall and maybe QV.

spankie
07-28-2002, 04:03 PM
Look this is a great post ive used all of the vet gear , I mega dose for long periods of time thats why I have good results. If you use the vet gear you know what youre getting into, if not you shouldnt be juicing do some more research and re aproach the game. The companys in mex are doing biz as usual the same way it goes whith narcotics in mex they know the buyers are amercians and they if you have ever been in a mex pharmacy take a look at the person selling you the gear is it ronnie colmans double , i dont think so more like a bone rack.In this game we could all get together and right letters and complain and it wont do jack. Look at the weed smokers there always bitchin about there weed in just about all of the states you will still get pinched for a joint and even if you have a script for it youre still going to court and loosing cash.I was all pissed at one time about this same isue, I can relate my advise do like I and a lot of others do get over it and move around it adapt try paying more for human or mega dosing the vet stuff either way I dont mean to offend any one this is a great bourd and thats my two cent Thanks guys

realcooltime
07-28-2002, 04:45 PM
You sure you don't give a shit about what you put into your body, and how much, as long as you grow?

Sounds more like you been megadosing crack.

Peace,

ZB

Taz30
07-28-2002, 06:24 PM
The thing about their drol is it's quite spendy and when you calculate how many tabs you need to take to see any kind of result it's ridiculously expensive .

footballer63
07-29-2002, 03:44 AM
ive only used mexican vet gear. its basically all i can get sometimes. ive had great gains with it. ive never used the ttokkyo drols but i think im gona stay away from them. i guess it'll work for some people and it wont for others

madchemist36
07-29-2002, 06:05 AM
good post bro

Stickler*
07-29-2002, 06:31 AM
regardless of what people think about TT products. sometimes that's all you can get if you don't wanna worry about customs.

basically i've only used mexi gear in the past except for a couple of times i got my hands on some omnadrens and some organon's susts (both great!!). in regards to tt's shit.. thier sust blend hurt like a mofo, but worked well.. thier EQ I LOVE, thier deca i've never used but i know bro's who love it.... other then that.. the rest of thier shit i've never come accross personally. i'm not sure what sources think, but sometimes between price and availability... the options are tt, or brovel... tornel... or qv.

i've tried qv shit.. and it seemed to work well.. but at the same time .. tt hasn't done me wrong in the past yet. however i'm not a mass gainer too often so i don't use dbol/anadrol or anything that blows you up quick.. and leaves twice as fast.. my .02 are worthless here except for the most common of tt's products (EQ and deca). I still stand behind thier eq though... always.. ALWAYS kicked ass and who doesn't like 200mg/ml?)

Big Guns
07-29-2002, 10:13 AM
bump