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Hi all,
I found this at the testosterone magazine website.
EVERYONE should read this, vets and mods pls comment.
Thanks, ziggy
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/191stras.html
Q: What's up with Ttokkyo's Anadrol clone? I have to take five to six tabs per day to see them work at all! Please don't tell me they're bunk!
A: They're bunk! Sorry!
I know, I know, every time I "knock" Ttokkyo I get accused of having some ulterior motive, of actually being IP or GAC or "Ttokkyo's competition." But the truth is, Ttokkyo's rep has really hit the shitter in recent weeks as other non-biased board monitors and e-zine editors all over the Internet have noticed.
About the only people defending Ttokkyo now are the people who sell primarily Ttokkyo gear (and have to pimp the shit out of it to make money) and one dimensional, rabid, "junior juicers" who used Ttokkyo when they first launched and don't realize (or refuse to realize) that the quality has dropped quite a bit from the first lot numbers to the current lot numbers.
I looked into Ttokkyo's oxymetholone tablets since many people have also said they work very well… if you take five or six tablets per day! Anyone who can remember the old Syntex Anadrol-50's from back in the 1980s will tell you that five or six tablets per day would kill a small elephant, and would certainly cause some serious gut pain and turn your skin a lovely shade of piss yellow. So there are only two ways that anyone could tolerate that many A-bombs per day: 1) if they were indeed a rather large elephant or 2) if the tabs were horribly underdosed! So I'm sad to report that Ttokkyo's oxymetholone is complete shit.
A well known and respected (and un-named) chemist ran 20 Ttokkyo A-bombs through HPLC to extract the oxymetholone from them in order to quantify them. I would have expected him to recover close to a gram of oxymetholone from this (50mg per tab x 20 tabs = 1000mg or 1.00g). However, he recovered a paltry 180mg of oxymetholone! That works out to around 9mg per tablet. This sucks ass! No wonder people can take six of them at a time! Six Ttokkyo A-bombs = 54mg of oxymetholone. Sad, but true.
Mexican Veterinary Sustanon — Just a Myth?
Q: I was in Ensenada last week and I saw something called "Tornel Super Test 250" which was $35 at the granero I visited to buy stuff for my, um, dogs, yeah, that's it! The labels and printing are much better than the T-200 and Norandren labels. The Super Test 250 labels are brighter, have more detail, smoother, rounded edges and actually stay glued to the bottle! But aside from looking good, what can you tell me about this new Tornel product? There's nothing about it at their website.
A: This product is supposed to be yet another version of a Sustanon 250 clone coming out of Mexico. Other companies making Sustanon clones include Ttokkyo and Loeffler. I'm going to let you in on a little secret about Mexican veterinary steroid makers: none of these Sustanon clones come close to meeting label claims and none of them have four esters of Testosterone in them like real Sustanon does.
In fact, I'll bet heavy money and give 5:1 odds that if you analyzed any Mexican veterinary Sustanon clone or any type of Testosterone ester made by Mexican vet houses, they'd contain one (or more) of the three following Testosterone esters: Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone undecanoate, or Testosterone propionate. Any Testosterone cypionate being made or sold by the Mexican vet companies is surely mislabeled Testosterone enanthate (or plain vegetable oil.) There are no Testosterone decanoate containing products either, only undecanoate.
Okay, so this really isn't a huge deal. I mean, if you get three decent esters of Testosterone and they total up to 250mg/mL, who cares? Well, I care! I don't like being lied to. And on top of that, I know for a fact that the only three Testosterone esters that are sold out of China in any real quantities are the three I mentioned. Testosterone propionate is $680 per kilo in China and Testosterone enanthate is $960 per kilo there. However, try to buy a kilo of Testosterone cypionate and you'll have to wait six months and pay $2500 or more per kilo.
So what do you think the Mexican companies are gonna do? I know, I know, I'm "picking on" Ttokkyo or the Mexicans again, right? Fuck that nonsense! I'm so disgusted with what's come out of Mexico in the last six months that my new philosophy is to never suggest that anyone use Mexican vet steroids, any Mexican vet steroids, ever again.
Pro-bodybuilders are notoriously cheap fucks. Yet none of them, and I mean none of them, use any Ttokkyo, Loeffler or Tornell products. They opt to spend much more money on stuff like Testoprim-D and Primoteston. Ever wonder what the pros know about Mexican gear that you don't? Ever wonder why they refuse to use it? Now you know!
I'm also not some naïve and clueless newbie. I know that plenty of people are using Mexican and bootlegged steroids with results. And they all think I'm a cock sucking asshole because I "dog out" Mexican gear, gear which worked fine for them. Look, it's a sad state we've devolved to when we see nothing wrong with knowingly buying a product that's labeled "oxymetholone, 50mg per tablet" and having it contain under 10mg per tablet, or buying a Test ester blend purported to have four different esters in it when it has no more than three in reality.
I can list example after example of mislabeling. I'm sick of it and I'm not going to tolerate it anymore. And neither should you! This is why, with some very rare exceptions, I'm now suggesting that anyone interested in using gear use human grade gear or not use at all. It's so sad that some people are so desperate to use steroids that they'll buy stuff they know for sure is mislabeled.
I found this at the testosterone magazine website.
EVERYONE should read this, vets and mods pls comment.
Thanks, ziggy
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/191stras.html
Q: What's up with Ttokkyo's Anadrol clone? I have to take five to six tabs per day to see them work at all! Please don't tell me they're bunk!
A: They're bunk! Sorry!
I know, I know, every time I "knock" Ttokkyo I get accused of having some ulterior motive, of actually being IP or GAC or "Ttokkyo's competition." But the truth is, Ttokkyo's rep has really hit the shitter in recent weeks as other non-biased board monitors and e-zine editors all over the Internet have noticed.
About the only people defending Ttokkyo now are the people who sell primarily Ttokkyo gear (and have to pimp the shit out of it to make money) and one dimensional, rabid, "junior juicers" who used Ttokkyo when they first launched and don't realize (or refuse to realize) that the quality has dropped quite a bit from the first lot numbers to the current lot numbers.
I looked into Ttokkyo's oxymetholone tablets since many people have also said they work very well… if you take five or six tablets per day! Anyone who can remember the old Syntex Anadrol-50's from back in the 1980s will tell you that five or six tablets per day would kill a small elephant, and would certainly cause some serious gut pain and turn your skin a lovely shade of piss yellow. So there are only two ways that anyone could tolerate that many A-bombs per day: 1) if they were indeed a rather large elephant or 2) if the tabs were horribly underdosed! So I'm sad to report that Ttokkyo's oxymetholone is complete shit.
A well known and respected (and un-named) chemist ran 20 Ttokkyo A-bombs through HPLC to extract the oxymetholone from them in order to quantify them. I would have expected him to recover close to a gram of oxymetholone from this (50mg per tab x 20 tabs = 1000mg or 1.00g). However, he recovered a paltry 180mg of oxymetholone! That works out to around 9mg per tablet. This sucks ass! No wonder people can take six of them at a time! Six Ttokkyo A-bombs = 54mg of oxymetholone. Sad, but true.
Mexican Veterinary Sustanon — Just a Myth?
Q: I was in Ensenada last week and I saw something called "Tornel Super Test 250" which was $35 at the granero I visited to buy stuff for my, um, dogs, yeah, that's it! The labels and printing are much better than the T-200 and Norandren labels. The Super Test 250 labels are brighter, have more detail, smoother, rounded edges and actually stay glued to the bottle! But aside from looking good, what can you tell me about this new Tornel product? There's nothing about it at their website.
A: This product is supposed to be yet another version of a Sustanon 250 clone coming out of Mexico. Other companies making Sustanon clones include Ttokkyo and Loeffler. I'm going to let you in on a little secret about Mexican veterinary steroid makers: none of these Sustanon clones come close to meeting label claims and none of them have four esters of Testosterone in them like real Sustanon does.
In fact, I'll bet heavy money and give 5:1 odds that if you analyzed any Mexican veterinary Sustanon clone or any type of Testosterone ester made by Mexican vet houses, they'd contain one (or more) of the three following Testosterone esters: Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone undecanoate, or Testosterone propionate. Any Testosterone cypionate being made or sold by the Mexican vet companies is surely mislabeled Testosterone enanthate (or plain vegetable oil.) There are no Testosterone decanoate containing products either, only undecanoate.
Okay, so this really isn't a huge deal. I mean, if you get three decent esters of Testosterone and they total up to 250mg/mL, who cares? Well, I care! I don't like being lied to. And on top of that, I know for a fact that the only three Testosterone esters that are sold out of China in any real quantities are the three I mentioned. Testosterone propionate is $680 per kilo in China and Testosterone enanthate is $960 per kilo there. However, try to buy a kilo of Testosterone cypionate and you'll have to wait six months and pay $2500 or more per kilo.
So what do you think the Mexican companies are gonna do? I know, I know, I'm "picking on" Ttokkyo or the Mexicans again, right? Fuck that nonsense! I'm so disgusted with what's come out of Mexico in the last six months that my new philosophy is to never suggest that anyone use Mexican vet steroids, any Mexican vet steroids, ever again.
Pro-bodybuilders are notoriously cheap fucks. Yet none of them, and I mean none of them, use any Ttokkyo, Loeffler or Tornell products. They opt to spend much more money on stuff like Testoprim-D and Primoteston. Ever wonder what the pros know about Mexican gear that you don't? Ever wonder why they refuse to use it? Now you know!
I'm also not some naïve and clueless newbie. I know that plenty of people are using Mexican and bootlegged steroids with results. And they all think I'm a cock sucking asshole because I "dog out" Mexican gear, gear which worked fine for them. Look, it's a sad state we've devolved to when we see nothing wrong with knowingly buying a product that's labeled "oxymetholone, 50mg per tablet" and having it contain under 10mg per tablet, or buying a Test ester blend purported to have four different esters in it when it has no more than three in reality.
I can list example after example of mislabeling. I'm sick of it and I'm not going to tolerate it anymore. And neither should you! This is why, with some very rare exceptions, I'm now suggesting that anyone interested in using gear use human grade gear or not use at all. It's so sad that some people are so desperate to use steroids that they'll buy stuff they know for sure is mislabeled.
roid or know that stacking 400mgs of (z) roid with (w) roid should produce certain results. If the stuff isn't what it says it is, and in the right concentrations--there could be serious problems.
