clomid - arimidex

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If I were to go on 12 weeks enanth(500mg) and deca(400mg) cycle then how much mgs of arimidex would I need and how much clomid for post cycle?

clomid 300mgs first day 100mgs next 10 days 50mgs next 10 days check the boys to see if there back then. So minimal 18 100mgs tabs I'd get extra just in case. don't know about arimidex

I searched anyway...

Clomid should start 3 weeks after last injection with deca and two weeks after last test injection.

So when you combine... then what? Starting after 2 or 3 weeks?

How long should therapy last ... 3 or 4 weeks?

Can't find out about the arimidex. Seems everybody is using liquidex.

Does arimidex continue throughout the clomid therapy... or does it stop when clomid starts?

Why can't you do post cycle arimidex instead of clomid?

clomis is started after your longest acting AS which would be deca. so start 3 weeks after last shot and atleast 3 weeks long you may need more you go by when your balls come back.

Here's a Q&A that I think will help on the clomid question:
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Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.

Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 17 – 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration

Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.

Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said don’t split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.

Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?

Answer: Why don’t you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.

For a second cycle ever... would it be really adviseable to go for 12 weeks. Wouldn't I just get good gains with 8 weeks?

Here is some research on why you SHOULD continue arimidex post cycle:
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Estrogen suppression in males: metabolic effects.

Mauras N, O'Brien KO, Klein KO, Hayes V.

Nemours Research Programs at the Nemours Children's Clinic, Jacksonville, Florida 32207, USA. [email protected]

We have shown that testosterone (T) deficiency per se is associated with marked catabolic effects on protein, calcium metabolism, and body composition in men independent of changes in GH or insulin-like growth factor I production. It is not clear,,however, whether estrogens have a major role in whole body anabolism in males. We investigated the metabolic effects of selective estrogen suppression in the male using a potent aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex (Anastrozole). First, a dose-response study of 12 males (mean age, 16.1 +/- 0.3 yr) was conducted, and blood withdrawn at baseline and after 10 days of oral Arimidex given as two different doses (either 0.5 or 1 mg) in random order with a 14-day washout in between. A sensitive estradiol (E2) assay showed an approximately 50% decrease in E2 concentrations with either of the two doses; hence, a 1-mg dose was selected for other studies. Subsequently, eight males (aged 15-22 yr; four adults and four late pubertal) had isotopic infusions of [(13)C]leucine and (42)Ca/(44)Ca, indirect calorimetry, dual energy x-ray absorptiometry, isokinetic dynamometry, and growth factors measurements performed before and after 10 weeks of daily doses of Arimidex. Contrary to the effects of T withdrawal, there were no significant changes in body composition (body mass index, fat mass, and fat-free mass) after estrogen suppression or in rates of protein synthesis or degradation; carbohydrate, lipid, or protein oxidation; muscle strength; calcium kinetics; or bone growth factors concentrations. However, E2 concentrations decreased 48% (P = 0.006), with no significant change in mean and peak GH concentrations, but with an 18% decrease in plasma insulin-like growth factor I concentrations. There was a 58% increase in serum T (P = 0.0001), sex hormone-binding globulin did not change, whereas LH and FSH concentrations increased (P < 0.02, both). Serum bone markers, osteocalcin and bone alkaline phosphatase concentrations, and rates of bone calcium deposition and resorption did not change. In conclusion, these data suggest that in the male 1) estrogens do not contribute significantly to the changes in body composition and protein synthesis observed with changing androgen levels; 2) estrogen is a main regulator of the gonadal-pituitary feedback for the gonadotropin axis; and 3) this level of aromatase inhibition does not negatively impact either kinetically measured rates of bone calcium turnover or indirect markers of bone calcium turnover, at least in the short term. Further studies will provide valuable information on whether timed aromatase inhibition can be useful in increasing the height potential of pubertal boys with profound growth retardation without the confounding negative effects of gonadal androgen suppression.
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Let's see, what we got here:
1. After Test withdrawal, but Arimidex added there's no significant changes in body composition, means MOST of the gains postcycle are kept.
2. Estrogen level decresed by 48%, shit, that's a good news, no rebound effect, nice conditions for Clomid to do the job.
3. Serum Testosteron level increased by 58%, wow, it's even better!
4. Concentrations of LH and FSH are increased, means, even by itself Arimidex will do something for recovery of HPTA, and it's a bomb with Clomid, obviously.






Just found some more information about Arimidex(Liquidex) applying to benefits of using it postcycle.
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Inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis and its consequences on gonadotrophin secretion in the male.
J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 1992 Mar;41(3-8):437-43 (ISSN: 0960-0760)
Bhatnagar AS; Muller P; Schenkel L; Trunet PF; Beh I; Schieweck K [Find other articles with these Authors]
Department of Research and Development, Pharmaceuticals Division CIBA-GEIGY Limited, Basel, Switzerland.
Of the gonadal steroids in the male, testosterone is the most important regulator of gonadotrophin secretion. However, whether testosterone affects gonadotrophin secretion directly or whether it must first be aromatized to estrogens is controversial. We have reported extensively on the endocrine and anti-tumor effects of the non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors CGS 16949A and CGS 20267 in adult female rats. In these animals, both inhibitors potently and selectively inhibit estrogen biosynthesis. Thus these agents can be effectively used in studying estrogen-dependent processes. CGS 16949A was administered for 14 days to adult male rats, over a dose range which in females suppresses estradiol and elevates LH. In male rats a suppression of estradiol was seen, however, there was no significant effect on either serum LH or on the weights of androgen-dependent organs. CGS 16949A, when administered to healthy men at a dose of 1 mg b.i.d. for 10 days, causes a significant fall in plasma estradiol and significant elevations of plasma FSH and testosterone. Dose-dependent suppression of serum estradiol and an increase in serum testosterone and LH are seen after administration of single oral doses of CGS 20267. These results indicate that in the male rat, inhibition of aromatization of testosterone to estrogens does not influence gonadotrophin secretion whereas in men the negative feedback exerted by testosterone on gonadotrophin secretion is dependent on the aromatization of testosterone to estrogens.

As far as dosing on arimidex, I wouldn't personally do it throughout your cycle. Instead, I'd wait until you get some symptoms, then start. That's a personal choice though. I save the $$ and wait, but then again, I know very well what it feels like when the gyno symptoms come calling...enough so that I know to start taking arim right away. Oh, I also keep nolva on hand when using this strategy. The arim stops the extra test from converting to estrogen, and the nolva competes with the existing estrogen. As far as doseages on the arim go, I'd start with .25 ED and up it if you keep feeling symptoms. You might be ok with .25, but if not, I'd say no more than .5 ED would do the trick with 500mg of enanth.

Well I wouldn't just do the A for gyno probs... I planned on using it the whole time to deal with bloating.

hehe, I like that bloated-fat-bastart feeling, LOL

I'd stick with the 12 wk plan instead of the 8 . Arimidex at .25mg-.5mg/ed throughout your cycle to keep blaoting down.