Winstrol in cycle? Cycle Critiques!

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If you read this...and don't respond...you will be jinxed to end up looking like my avatar!!! LOL :D

Aight..I know I posted my cycle previously..but I have another question...about winstrol (something I have haven't done yet). What do ya all think about adding winny to end of cycle..(or anything else) to help cut up..and keep gains?

Here is current cycle...in planning!

Weeks 1 - 10: ENTH 500mg
Weeks 1 - 10: Deca 300mg
Weeks 1 - 5: Dbol 30mg (ED)

What do ya all think? I could use some more help...I am undecided about what to do for next cycle!! MONEY..IS a factor..so I gotta watch that!!! I can grow off smaller amounts (have gaines 25 on 500mg sust only).

Stats now are 5'10" 200, 11-12 BF

Let me know what ya all think...puh-leeze!!!

Cheers and Thanks!
MB
 
IMO, I don't like mixing bulking cycle strategies with cuting cycle strategies in the same cycle. You have dbol in there at the beginning, so I'm assuming you want to gain mass. I would stick with the bulking regimen, including the all-important diet aspect, for the entire 10 weeks. Take some time "off", get used to your gains and don't worry about any extra bf you put on. Then, do a quality cutting cycle. The reason I feel this way is that you barely have enough time to put on quality mass in 10 weeks. There's no sense in shortchanging that by switching gears and trying to get hard/lean during that same cycle. Just my .02
 
Well I hear ya BSBW, but I feel this will depend on how gifted you are. I posted a thread a while back asking if it was ok to switch from buling to cutting and most said it was because one wouldn't really be happy leaving a cycle with all that bf. If you do a 10 weeks cycle you will need te wait about 10 wks till you can start that cuttin cycle.

So I guess it will depend on how you look. Personally I'll also be doing a enanth/deca cycle (for 12wks). I'll also use dbol to frontload. I will bulk for 8 wks and diet for 4 wks. Personally I am gonna use the winny these last 4 weeks.
 
BStrongBwell* said:
IMO, I don't like mixing bulking cycle strategies with cuting cycle strategies in the same cycle. You have dbol in there at the beginning, so I'm assuming you want to gain mass. I would stick with the bulking regimen, including the all-important diet aspect, for the entire 10 weeks. Take some time "off", get used to your gains and don't worry about any extra bf you put on. Then, do a quality cutting cycle. The reason I feel this way is that you barely have enough time to put on quality mass in 10 weeks. There's no sense in shortchanging that by switching gears and trying to get hard/lean during that same cycle. Just my .02

Ditto.
From experience.
 
I would always go with primobolan over winstrol for the same purposes.

You won't FEEL or LOOK as pumped. But it WORKS better.

ZB
 
http://www.pharmanabolics.com/primobolan.htm



Primobolan depot is a registered trademark of Schering A/G avaiable in 50 mg/cc from Mexico and 100 mg/cc from Europe. It is is the "Cleanest and Gentles" anabolic steroid, will not aromatize, non-toxic, low in androgens. Primobolan depot may be taken by both Men and Women. Dosages for men are 100-300 mg/week, Women 1/2 dosage. Primobolan depot is the only steroid that works well on a low calorie diet. Effective for bulking, but tends to harden and add muscle tone more that build big muscles. Primobolan depot works great when added to a cycle (stacked) with other steroids, it tends to lessen water retention and harshness when stacked with more heavy duty testosterone injectables, like Omnadren / Sustanon, Cypoinate / Propionate, ect. It is an analog immune-stimulating steroid used by people with Aids and others with depressed immune systems to build up the immune system and add lean muscle mass. Primobolan is one of the finest steroids in the world today.
 
Primobolan depot
Generic name:


Primobolan Depot, although with a weaker effect than Deca Durabolin, is a good basic steroid with a predominantly anabolic effect and, depending on the goal, can be effectively combined with almost any steroids.

How it works

Those who would like to gain mass rapidly and do not have Deca available, can use Primo-Depot together with Sustanon and Dianabol (D-bol). Those who have more patience or are afraid of potential side effects will usually be very satisfied with a stack of Primobolan Depot 200 mg/week and
Deca Durabolin 200-400 mg/week.


We believe that the best combination is Primobolan Depot with Winstrol Depot. 200 - 400 mg/week is the normally used dosage of Primobolan Depot although there are enough athletes who inject a 100 mg ampule daily. Primobolan Depot, like the oral acetate form, is not converted into estrogen however, low water retention can occur, which is the reason why during preparalions for a competition the injections are usually preferred.

Side effects

Side effects with Primobolan Depot are minimal and manifest themselves only rarely and in persons who are extremely sensitive. Due to the androgenic residual effect, side effects include light acne, deep voice or increased hair growth. Primobolan Depot has even less in fluence on the liver function than the oral form so that an increase of the liver's toxin values is extremely unlikely. The blood pressure, cholesterol level, HDL and LDL values, as with Primo tablets, usually remain unaffected. Primobolan Depot is generally the safest injectable steroid.

Athletes whose liver values strongly increase when taking anabolic steroids but who still do not want to give up their use, under periodical supervision of these values, can go ahead and try a stack of Primobolan Depot, Deca Durabolin, and Andriol.

A well-known bodybuilder in Germany who had already won several national titles has admitted that his liver was damaged by his too frequent use of the 17-alpha alkylated steroids Dianabol (D-bol), Anadrol (at the time still Plenastril), and Anavar. He was,however, able to bring his body back to national championship level by taking 200 mg Primobolan Depot/week, 400 mg Deca Durabolin/week, and 240 mg Andriol/day, without a negative effect on the liver values.

Primobolan Depot, like the tablets, has only a very small influence on the hypothalamuhypophysiat testicular axis so that the body's own testosterone production is only reduced when very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period of time.

Women and Primobolan depot


100 mg Primobolan Depot/week, combined with 50 mg Winstrol Depot/week, is usually an effective stack for many women and is tolerated well so that virilization symptoms are rarely observed. To avoid an undesired accumulation of androgens in the body women should pay attention that there are three to four days in between the relative injections. For competing female athletes this stack, however, is too weak.

Dosages

Primobolan Depot is often used in a dose of 100 mg/week to bridge over steroid breaks which, in our opinion, is not a good idea: The non-stop use of anabolic steroids has a strong negative influence on the body's own testosterone production and prevents the body from normalizing its functions. Dosages as low as 100 mg Primobolan Depot/ week or 5O mg Deca-Durabolin/week (also uften used for bridging) are non-toxic and mostly have no side effects. However, the effectiveness of such an intake must be strongly doubted since both sompounds in in this dosage are much too weak in order to effectively counteraffect the catabolic phase which begins in the steroid phases.

Better results can usually be obtained with Clenbuterol without influencing the hormone system. Those who believe that in the "steroid free time" they must still take some "stuff" to bridge the usages should inject the long acting Testosterone enanthate (e.g. Testoviron Depot 250mg/ml) every two to three weeks.


The Spanish, Belgian, Greek, and German Primobolan Depot sell for approximately $ 15 per ampule. A Mexican version is also available but only in the 50 mg strength. Special attention must be paid to the fact that the injection solution of the original Spanish Primobolan is included in an ampule of brown glass with a red imprint burnt into the glass, and not in normal window glass as is common in other countries. The Mexican version is also in brown glass but the label is blue.

When the package is opened a clear plastic bed is visible which, on the other side, is coated with aluminum foil and has the "Primobolan Depot" imprint on its surface. So far, according to our knowledge, there are no fakes yet. There are more or less good fakes of the other versions.
 
lol, yeah i had a chat going with boobies, he had not really heard of it before or used it so I told him I would paste it in his thingy...

i hope he like primo!

ZB
 
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