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hey guys I have some questions I saw this at FB and they tore me an ass for responding to it.. Losers.

What do you think?
Test and deca or eq cycle pryamid the deca or eq and the test straight and the dbol to kich start it
ex: weeks 1-8 250-or 500 week test I used sust (depends on who you are)
week1 100deca 2*20mg a day dbol
week 2 200deca 2*30mg a day dbol
week3 300deca 2*30mg a day dbol
week4 400deca 2*20mg a day dbol
week5 400deca 2*10mg a day dbol
week6 300deca
week7 200deca
week8 100deca
with 20mg a day of nolv weeks 2-9
clomid 50mg a day week8-9
now I know this works well i have used it serveral times and it is great for strength and size and the deca solidified my gains well I put on 16 pounds almost both cycles of solid mass and kept it!. I went no longer than 8 weeks with my first 2 cycles this way.

My top question is is pyramiding not very effective with EQ or DECA? Or are there some who just dont care about long term effects? Opinions guys as with all my posts be honest and cruel..lol

Well you won't see much ass tearing on this board. This board has never really been part of flaming just because someone asks a question and I think that is what keeps this board and its members happy.
Spread the d-bol out evenly throughout the day. Don't ramp the Deca. Stick with atleast 500mg of test. The Nolva you are stopping too soon depending on the ester of the test plus EQ. And that goes the same for Clomid. I would go into more depth if this was a serious cycle for yourself.

i used it twice and it was my beginning cycle. i saw great gains on it and great gains kept. but give me reasons on the pyramid stacks. i have always done this with the deca and eq. I never have side either, like everyone else describes.
the dbol is taken in those 2 at 30 mgs twice a day is what that means. or i take it at 2,2,2 a day. I know its only good for about 3-4 hours at peak so that gives me 9-12 hours of peak levels. It worked great that way others take it all at once.

the clomid and nolvadex were like that because i ramped the deca and i didnt need so much. the deca was slowly allowing my body to return slowly to what it is used to, thats why i used it like that. this is a sample of a cycle and that what they told me that i was not knowing what i was talking about. I have already done this cycle but does anybody see my reasons for doing it this way..or am i alone on this? Long term effects mean anything?, homeostasis?, testicular axis? any of this make sense guys? LOL

well...remember....what works for someone else may not work for U....if it is working for U...then keep doin it

not anymore..it did but i posted it as a first time cycle and man did the get sad. and does your body adapt to the test esters and should u rotate them ? just curious, i have with great results but someone said u dont..i will look into this more. too

In your post you said that you saw this at FB and got told off for repsonding to it so I assumed that someone else posted it and that you well....just responded to it. I didn't know it was your cycle.
Dpending on your Test, (sus for example) you should start your clomid therapy 3 weeks after your last shot. (I prefer 2 weeks) Pretty close to the same thing if you are using EQ or Deca in a cycle. I"m not sure what you are trying to do with the Nolva. You will have to explain that.
D-bol doesn't peak at 3-4 hours. 3-4 hours is its half life. So if you take it twice a day you won't have even concentrations in your blood. Spread it out as evenly as possible. D-bol shuts your HTPA down pretty quick do don't worry about tapering.
As for your theory on Deca.....Do you expect to make any gains at 100-200mgs/week?

if you are a first time user i guess so, I used this my first time evr on AS. I saw great gains to attempt that now on that dose impossible. I was to take nolv towards the end.. what i meant with the dbol is 3-4 hours half life and i would take it for example as soon as i get up aand again in 3-4 hours and again in 3-4 hours 2,2,2. I saw great gains from that use. I posted it as a newbie cycle.. it was my first. It was great and i thought it would help someone concerned about TL effects and stuff like that.. but no biggie.. thanks for commenting i will change it for someone else with fresh receptors to grom huge on. now we even have arimidex.. that didnt come out till 95 and i could not get it.
so there can be a lot of changes.
Opinion on the same AS but different amounts?

I THINK A NEWBIE CAN MAKE GAINS AT 200MGS/WEEK AS I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL FRIENDS DO SO, BUT I WOULD STILL RECCOMEND UPPING THE DECA TO AT LEAST 300-400/WEEK. PYRYDING AT SUCH A LOW DOSAGE IS A WASTE THE 100 MG WEEK WILL HAVE LITTLE TO NO ANABOLIC EFFECT. ALSO THE DECA WILL GRADUALLY TAPER ITSELF OUT OF ONES SYSTEM(I BELIEVE) SO NO NEED TO TAPER OFF.

thermochaser said:

and does your body adapt to the test esters and should u rotate them?

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I would be inclined to say no since the important part is the testosterone compound, not the ester. The ester is only important with regard to timing issues.

thermochaser said:

i used it twice and it was my beginning cycle. i saw great gains on it and great gains kept. but give me reasons on the pyramid stacks. i have always done this with the deca and eq. I never have side either, like everyone else describes.
the dbol is taken in those 2 at 30 mgs twice a day is what that means. or i take it at 2,2,2 a day. I know its only good for about 3-4 hours at peak so that gives me 9-12 hours of peak levels. It worked great that way others take it all at once.

the clomid and nolvadex were like that because i ramped the deca and i didnt need so much. the deca was slowly allowing my body to return slowly to what it is used to, thats why i used it like that. this is a sample of a cycle and that what they told me that i was not knowing what i was talking about. I have already done this cycle but does anybody see my reasons for doing it this way..or am i alone on this? Long term effects mean anything?, homeostasis?, testicular axis? any of this make sense guys? LOL

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What exactly are you trying to say? That this is the only way to put your body back in homeostasis? And the only way to Not hurt your "boys" as to getting them back up and running?

Yes a pyramid type cycle wil help, but it also can hurt.. I see that you also have nolva and clomid in there also.. These two anti-e's were not known to BBers when the pyramid cycle came about.

It's good that you saw no side effects, that only means that you have a low disposition to gyno and deca dick.

Now lets get into the bad parts about this type of cycling.
The main one is that the steroid level in your blood fluctuates way too much. It is never at a steady level. This opens the people that are at a high risk to gyno up to getting it.
The more stable you keep the gear, the less chance you have of getting these dreaded sides. (note: there are no studies to my knowledge, but more from an overall consensus of 100's of users)

With the knowledge that has come about over the last decade or more is why the new way of cycling has come about.. Also to go even further...Front loading.

With the use of clomid, HCG (when a real heavy cycle is used) and nolva, there is much of a problem in bringing your body back into homeostasis.