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RebelofGA
08-20-2002, 01:15 AM
What does transdermal mean, and how do you take fina transdermal

Taz30
08-20-2002, 03:27 AM
Checkout the Fina Forum. Transdermal method is by way of absorption through the skin, but it sucks so i wouldn't go that route. Shooting it is the best hands down.

2damtight
08-20-2002, 01:20 PM
I don't know why as soon as a thread about transdermal fina appears people are so quick to bash it without even addressing any info about it. Rebel injecting is without a doubt the most effective way of administiring fina but the transdermal method works alaso. Please pm me for details.

buddha_red
08-21-2002, 08:28 AM
You can go to www.gotfina.com for everything and then some about fina

You can use the DMSO method which is 1 tablespoon of DMSO and 2-3 pellets ground into a powder or make finasol which is a spray on method of transdermal fina.

both will work for you but less than injection, i was freaked about needles but you get used to it really freaking fast with everyday injections.

sgrinavi
08-21-2002, 08:28 AM
Hey bro,

Why don't you share it with the rest of us?

basskiller
08-21-2002, 08:36 AM
Finasol 101
This is not a Finasol FAQ. This is a very basic introduction to Finasol that answers the most basic questions. There is a Finasol FAQ being created but it will not be ready until December (estimated).






What is Finasol?

Finasol is a transdermal spray that contains Trenbolone Acetate.

What do you need to create Finasol?

A spray bottle
A transdermal solution
Trenbolone Acetate

Where can I get the Trenbolone Acetate?

Two products contain this ingredient in pellet form: Finaplix-H and Component-TH. Each pellet contains 20mg of Trenbolone Acetate.

Where can I get a spray bottle?

The most commonly used bottles are those that were originally used for spray prohormones such as Biotest's Androsol and Ergopharm's Andro Spray. Just about any spray bottle will work if it hasn't been previously used to hold a toxic or poisoness substance.

Where can I get the solution?

Many will just use a prohormone spray as the solution. While this isn't the most efficient, it does work. It is generally less expensive and more efficient to make your own solution.

How do I make the solution?

There are several recipes that work, this is one that works well...

Combine these three ingredients in a 240cc bottle:

80cc Water
50cc Isopropyl Myristate
110cc 95% Ethanol or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol.
Dissolve 50 pellets in the solution.

How much do I spray on my body?

Spray 10cc's every 12 hours for a period not to exceed 6 weeks. Do not spray on any of your 'sensitive' parts of your body.

How many sprays is 10cc's?

Biotest Androsol - 70 sprays
Ergopharm Andro Spray - 12-13 sprays
Misc. Bottle. - Fill with water and spray into something that can measure cc's or ml's. Divide cc's (ml's) by # of sprays to determine the number of sprays per cc (ml). Then multiply that number by 10 to determine how many sprays per cc.

Where can I buy Ethanol?

From the liquor store (190 proof Everclear) or online at:
http://www.bacchuscellars.com/liquors/grain.htm

Where can I buy 99% Isopropyl Alcohol?

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/webtronics/824-1l.html

Where can I buy Isopropyl Myristate?

http://www.reneal.com/supplies/diluents.htm

http://www.lemelange.com/oil_liquid_cream_wax_g_-_p.htm

Where can I buy Adrosol or Andro Spray?

http://www11.netrition.com/prohormones_page.html

Where can I buy Trenbolone Acetate?

From a farm supply store. There are some on the Internet. I have no recommendations at this time.

I have more questions. Where can I get more information?

by Zen42

basskiller
08-21-2002, 08:39 AM
EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT PLO GEL

OVERVIEW: Written by Fahfred

PLO gel or pluronic lecithin organogel is a transdermal carrier used by compounding pharmacists to deliver NSAIDS,narcotics and other drugs through the skin when other routes of administration are not viable. PLO gel is similar to the system used in the testosterone preparation Androgel. PLO gel is non-irritating to the skin, absorbs quickly and is practically odorless. It is best used with drugs with molecular weights less that 400.

It is a two phase system consisting of an oil (lipophilic) phase and a water (hydrophilic) phase. Oil soluble drugs are dissolved in the oil phase and water soluble drugs are dissolved in the water phase. One phase is injected into the other, back and forth until a smooth homogeneous gel is formed. The preferred method of mixing small batches is with the use of two large syringes locked together at the tips

PLO GEL CONSISTS OF THE FOLLOWING:

isopropyl palmitate – a non-oleaginous emollient with very good spreading characteristics

soy lecithin – complex mixture of phospholipids and other materials. Used as dispersing, emulsifying and stabilizing agents.

H2O

Pluronic F127 - a long chain polymer that has the unique property of being a solid at room temperature. This characteristic makes it useful in that it can be drawn into a syringe for accurate dose measurement when it is cold. When it warms on the skin it thickens to the perfect consistency to facilitate proper inunction and adhesion.

BARRIERS IN THE SKIN:

To fully understand how a PLO works, it is important to first understand the barriers in the skin, which prevent absorption into the skin. The skin is composed of three major components: the epidermis, the dermis, and the underlying subdermal tissue. The epidermis, which provides the strongest protection against drug absorption, is composed of five different layers: stratum corneum, stratum lucidum, stratum granulosum, stratum spinosum and stratum basale. Of these five layers, the stratum corneum is the most impermeable. The stratum corneum can be compared to a brick wall. Just as a brick wall consists if bricks and mortar, the stratum corneum consists of flattened, cornified cells imbedded in a lipid intercellular matrix.

HOW PLO'S WORK:

Two mechanisms have been proposed. One possible mechanism for gel permeation into the skin occurs by diffusing through the lipid intercellular matrix described above. Another proposed mechanism is that the PLO provides a slight disorganization of the skin allowing permeation of the gel and the active drug through the statum corneum. One thing that is clear is that the lecithin component of the PLO has the ability to act as an amphoteric surfactant and enables many drugs to penetrate the dermal layer

BIOAVAILABILITY:

In the past, topicals have had relatively poor bioavailability. With the advent of the PLO the problem of bioavailability has been somewhat resolved. The PLO provides an adequate vehicle that permeates the stratum corneum, thereby increasing the amount of available drug. Because lecithin is a lipophilic substance, it is able to pass through the stratum corneum. When a water-soluble drug is added to a hydrophobic substance, with the aid of a surfactant, both the drug and the hydrophobic medium can pass through the epidermis. Bioavailability ranges from 10 % to 60%. I strongly recommend that you read the following study. It compares test gel to test injection and, in the absence of a study using Fina, is one of the best references available:

www.familypractice.com/journal/2001/v14.n01/1401.04/art-1401.04htm

PLO AND FINA:

If using gel to apply Fina, good results can be had with as little as 40 mgs per day when stacked with at least 250 mgs/week of testosterone. I would always stack Fina with test whenever possible. When using Fina only, the dose needs to be bumped up to 80-160 mgs per day in two or three equal applications. It should be applied to a clean, hairless part of the body. Inside of forearms and upper chest work well. The PLO gel forms sort of a depot in the skin that provides sustained release of the drug.

There have been reports of increased photosensitivity with plo gel so you should stay out of the sun after application, or apply to an area that will be covered, such as the inside of the upper thigh.

TUTORIAL FOR MIXING FINA WITH PLO GEL:

The kit contains the following:
1 – 10 ml syringe containing 5 mls of alcohol based solvent.
1 – 60 ml syringe containing 11 mls of component “A”.
1 – 60 ml syringe containing 34 mls of component “B”. (Place component “B” in the refrigerator until ready to use. This will cause it to liquefy).
1 – 1 ml oral syringe
1 – red luer lock
1 – white luer lock

Directions for use:

Place 2000 mg (2 grams) of pellets in the 10 ml syringe containing the solvent as follows:
Hold syringe so that the red tip is pointed up. Loosen the tip and pull back the plunger until it catches on the indent allowing air into the syringe. Tighten the tip. Invert the syringe so that the red tip is pointed down. Gently pull the plunger all the way out. Be careful not to spill! Add the pellets. Replace the plunger past the indent. Invert the syringe so that the red tip is pointed up again. Loosen the tip and depress the plunger to purge about half the air. Tighten the tip. This leaves room to shake contents. Let sit overnight shaking occasionally or until completely dissolved. The solution will have separated into a clear golden top layer and a yellow suspension on the bottom. Shake thoroughly. Some small solids are OK as long as they will pass through the end of the syringe. Point the tip up and remove the cap.
Depress the plunger until all the air is purged and the solution just starts to come out. Replace the cap. Set the “A” syringe on its plunger and remove the red cap. Gently screw the red luer lock on the tip of the “A” syringe. Purge any air in the “A” syringe by gently pulling down on the syringe (not the plunger) until solution just starts to come out. Take the cap off of the 10 ml syringe and gently screw it onto the other end of the red luer lock. Gently depress the plunger on the 10 ml syringe until all of the solution has been injected into compound “A”. Remove the 10 ml syringe

Purge the air from the “B” syringe the same way. The goal is to not let any air into the system. You are making a gel not a mousse. Gently screw the 60 ml syringe with component “B” onto the other end of the red luer lock. Depress the plunger on the “A” syringe, injecting the contents into the “B” syringe. Reverse and inject the contents of the “B” syringe into the “A” syringe. Repeat (at least 10 times) until you have a homogeneous pale yellow gel. You now have 50 mls of a 4% gel by weight.(40 mgs/ml) Remove the empty syringe.
Remove the red luer lock from the full syringe. Attach the white luer lock to the full syringe (Be sure to use threaded end). Remove the cap from the 1 ml syringe and press it onto the other end of the white luer lock. While pressing the 60 ml syringe, pull on the 1 ml syringe, and fill the 1 ml syringe to .625 mls. Keep a loose grip on the 1 ml syringe. It has been known to pop out under pressure and decorate the ceiling with gel. Remove the 1 ml syringe and apply gel to a clean body part (delts, abs, thighs). Rub gently until gel is completely absorbed (about 1-2 minutes). Skin will be slightly tacky. This disappears in about 5 minutes. Each ml contains 40 mgs of active ingredient. .625 ml applied twice daily provides 50 mgs per day and lasts for 40 days. Adjust dosage to the individual. Do not refrigerate the gel! This will cause the two components to separate.

*CAUTION! KEEP AWAY FROM EYES!*

Congratulations and good luck!

Thanks to Jim Franckum and Dale Ramsay


BIBILIOGRAPHY

Ansel, Howard, C., Allen, Loyd V., Ropovich, & Nicholas G. Jr. Dosage Forms and Drug Delivery Systems, Philadelphia 1999

Berti, Jerrfey J., & Lipskys, James J. Transcutaneous Drug Delivery: A Practical Review, Mayo Clin. Proc. 1995; 70:581-586

Gans, John A. & Kerscher, Robert D., Drug Information Handbook 1998-1999, LexiCorp Inc., Hudson, Ohio

Guyton, Arthur C., & Hall, John E. Textbook of Medical Physiology Ninth Edition, W.B. Saunders Company 1996, Philadelphia

Willimann, P Walde, Luisi, P.L. Gazzaniga, A., & Stroppolo, F. Lecithin Organogel as Matrix for Transdermal Transport of Drugs, Journal of Pharmaceautical Sciences: Vol 81, No 9, Sept 1992, 871-874

basskiller
08-21-2002, 08:40 AM
Here is a way of making it into a nasal spray.
From Anabolic Extreme.
http://www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/new_archives/anex_archive_issue36_trenbolone.htm

The Trenbolone Nasal Spray

In addition to your androgen, you are also going to need the following:

Acetone - 99%
Isopropyl alcohol - 99%
Propylene Glycol - 99%
( All of which can easily and affordably be obtained from an internet chemical company).
A couple of coffee filters.
A metered nasal spray pump (NatruVent, Nostrilla, etc.)
A dosing cup or syringe (or anything else that can be used to measure to the nearest ml)

The procedure:

1. Take your Finaplix and dissolve it in the acetone at 50mg/ml. After the pellets have fully dissolved
(This will take 10 minutes or so), an off-white powder will have begun to collect at the bottom of the container --
these are the binders and such. Your androgen is now in solution.

2. Pour the liquid through the coffee filter - leaving behind the undesirables, and leaving you with pure androgen
dissolved in acetone.

3. Allow the acetone to evaporate - this will take several hours, depending on the surface area exposed to air
and the total amount of acetone employed. Trenbolone has a reputation for being a rather unstable molecule --
I don't know if this is true or if it is merely bodybuilding lore that has been repeated until it is accepted as fact --
nonetheless, you might want to store it dark place while you wait for evaporation to take place. After it has evaporated,
the trenbolone will be a yellowy crust at the bottom of whatever container you used.

4. Next add your propylene glycol (PG) in whatever amount will give your desired concentration
(I suggest 40-50mg/ml) + an additional 20%, as some of it will evaporate during step 6. The PG will not dissolve the
trenbolone, so...

5. Add isopropyl alcohol at a concentration of 1 ml/25mg. Stir it up a bit and it will dissolve --
this may take half an hour. The alcohol will also help ensure sterility.

6. Allow it to sit until the isopropyl alcohol evaporates, leaving you with trenbolone dissolved in
propylene glycol -- which will evaporate much more slowly.

(NOTE: Make sure all the alcohol has evaporated or it will burn like hell upon use)

If you are certain the alcohol has evaporated, and you still have too much propylene glycol remaining --
let it evaporate some more. Check it every 5-6 hours to make sure not too much evaporates,
otherwise the trenbolone will come out of solution, and you will have to add some more isopropanol
and start over again.

7. Add 1 part water for every 2 parts propylene glycol as pure PG is a bit too thick to produce a proper mist.

8. Next, empty out your nasal spray bottle and replace the contents with your newly created androgen/propylene glycol/water solution.

9. Stick up your nose and squirt.


10.Repeat every 3 hours or so.

I should, at this point, mention that propylene glycol burns the nasal passages a bit --
it will feel, for 10 seconds or so, the way it feels when you get water up your nose when swimming.
This is not at all intolerable, for this reason,
I do not recommend trying to use it enough to make it your lone androgen,
but rather a way to add 20-30mg (I would estimate 50% absorption,
so this would be 8-10 squirts/nostril) per day to a stack --
either other illicit androgens or a topical/nasal prohormone.

Also, if you have had problems with irritation using the Cyclodiol nasal homebrew,
this will be worse, so I would advise against using it in your nose. Instead, use it as a sublingual --
you can use the metered nasal spray for the best accuracy, and
I would expect that you would still get pretty decent absorption. Step 7 should be omitted if you choose
this route of administration.

basskiller
08-21-2002, 08:41 AM
DMSO

By bass
Dimethyl Sulfoxide this used for a transdermal carrier.
Dimethyl Sulfoxide is a clear liquid known for its ability to permeate living tissue.
It is believed to help stimulate cellular processes.

Common dosages
2-3 pellets daily FINELY crushed(a flour consistancy), then added to about 1 table spoon of DMSO.

DMSO and odor
Some have complained about a garlic odor on their breath and eminating from where it is applied.

Places to apply the mixture
Anywhere there are small capilliaries close to the top of the skin.
Ankles, back of your knees, inside of your thighs and elbows, etc.

How long do I used it for
Common lenth of a cycle is 6 to 8 weeks.

How to apply the mixture
Apply it in a massaging motion. Gently rub it into the area of your choice in a circular motion.
After you have rubbed it in, then wrap the area with Saran wrap.
The best time to do this is at night, right before you go to bed.
Who wants to run around with Saran wrap on them all day

Fina dick
Although there is no scientific proof of this effecting your sex drive,
many people complain that it has. In a negative way.

DMSO irratation
Another side effect is skin irratation. Some have developed dry red skin, with little bumps.
Others have had no problem in this area. Chalk this one up to some people have allergies others don't!

Should I use the gel or liquid form
Either or, One is no better than the other in effectiveness.
It's just that the liquid tends to make more of a mess than the gel, thats all.


Where can I get DMSO and PHLO_GEL

DMSO

http://www.dmso.net/
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/health-world/dmsoproducts.html
http://www.store.yahoo.com/dmso1/

PHLOJEL

http://www.phlojel.com/
Cheap place to buy it Thanks xcelbeyond

PO644
08-21-2002, 09:40 AM
hey thanks BASS great info

basskiller
08-21-2002, 09:54 AM
all this and more fina info can be found on my website.

sgrinavi
08-21-2002, 10:45 AM
BK you are the man.... thanks